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Kid A · 05-11-2010, 05:58 PM

I have mixed feelings about the Big 10 possibility.

Pros:

-It would be us making the first move, not reacting too late after Texas and OU jump ship to the SEC or something.

-Lots more money. Like at least $10 million more a year.

-While not a lot of obvious/traditional rivalries up there, we would probably be taking Mizzou with us and Iowa would be a fun series. And Ohio State, Michigan, Penn State, Wisconsin would all be cool matchups every year.

-Dr. Tom isn't a big fan of the Big XII. He was lone dissenting vote to lock the league championship game into Cowboy stadium for the next three years. He has always felt Texas gets way too much power (which they do). In short, we would be getting out from under Texas' shadow. Granted OSU and Michigan are big boys too, but I'm not sure they run the league on the level Texas does (at least in Tom's eyes).

Cons:

-Different recruiting region. We've always depended big on Texas recruiting, which would probably take a hit by not playing there twice a year or being on TV in that region all the time.

-Loss of long running rivalries. In the case of a Big XII implosion CU goes to the Pac-10, and what remains of the OU rivalry might just be dead. The teams that needs to be really worried about all this talk are KU and K-State. Who takes them in (though KU basketball is obviously always a commodity)?

-Not sure I'm sold the Big 10 is an overall tougher conference (I'll take Texas and OU over OSU and Michigan in the last decade, with TT, Nebraska, K-State all fielding at least a couple formidble teams in that same stretch), but it's hard to imagine whatever division they put us in would be as easy as the Big XII North has been. Probably end up with Penn State and Iowa on our side (assuming they keep OSU and Mich together).

Anyway, really interesting to see how this plays out. I wouldn't mind seeing the Big XII man up and get stronger to avoid a break up (get TCU?). But if it's inevitable, I'd like us to be ones taking initiative. If we get offered a lot more money and the XII doesn't counter...we're going.

Kid A · 05-11-2010, 06:59 PM

I think this article is the closest to the truth:

http://www.omaha.com/article/2010051...t-is-plausible

He says that the Big 10 never officially asks people to join, but they can suggest that a school apply to join, which would be voted on during their meetings on May 17-18. I'd put big money on Nebraska, Mizzou, Notre Dame, and Rutgers being teams that were encouraged to submit applications. If all four were to apply/join, they'd need to add another school to get to 16. If Notre Dame says no thanks I think they stay at 14.

Either way, I think the odds of this happening are pretty high. Any idea what the divisions would look like? I bolded the teams I think are a lock to be grouped together.

West: Nebraska, Missouri, Illinois, Iowa, Notre Dame, Wisconsin, Minnesota, TEAM # 16 (Kansas? Pitt?)

East: Ohio State, Michigan, Michigan State, Penn State, Purdue, Indiana, Rutgers, Northwestern

BMF Bronco · 05-11-2010, 10:12 PM

Piss on that, stay in the big xii so i can rub it in to my family how ****ty CU is every year!

DBroncos4life · 05-12-2010, 03:21 PM

McKid A you are right we can't sit and sink with the B12. The Texas recruiting thing is over blown a tad though. It's not like we steal many players from Texas. If they want a player they get them so we get the rest. The only issue with recruiting there now that I see could become a problem is the distance that parents would have to travel now to see games. At the same time though we would get way more games on national TV because of the Big Ten network deals.

jhns · 05-12-2010, 03:46 PM

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Originally Posted by McKid A

-Lots more money. Like at least $10 million more a year.

Why is this? I thought us, Texas, and OU got a big portion of the Big 12 money but we would have to split more evenly in the Big 10. Wouldn't that be less money Nebraska or do they just make that much more money in the Big 10?

Kid A · 05-12-2010, 05:45 PM

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Originally Posted by jhns

Why is this? I thought us, Texas, and OU got a big portion of the Big 12 money but we would have to split more evenly in the Big 10. Wouldn't that be less money Nebraska or do they just make that much more money in the Big 10?

They have a crazy good TV contract going, especially with the Big Ten Network being pretty much national. Right now all the schools get $22 million a year I believe just from TV. I think we get like $11 million right now or something? Add in a Nebraska, Mizzou, maybe Syracuse, let alone Notre Dame...huge money.

As for the Texas recruiting, I've seen arguments both ways. Our recruiting numbers have gone way up there since the Big XII (almost as many players from Texas in the last 15 years as all our history before) so it has to be a real concern. Making this big of a move, though, and playing in what would be nearly an equal to the SEC in prestige along with an incredible TV package would not hurt our national image/exposure.

The rumor I've heard is that if they do get the Big Ten up to 16 teams they want to divide into four divisions of four. Kind of like a pro football conference. Makes sense, but it would be a sea change for NCAA football. Just as we've gotten used to Raiders, Chiefs, Chargers along with a mix of AFC every year, it would probably be Missouri, Iowa, Illinois with a mix of other Big Ten (16) teams during our conference play each year.

Also if they go to 16 or even 14 I think the math will be off enough that they'll finally change the name.

Rights to the Big 16 are owned by the Big 12 ironically. Maybe the Big North Athletic Conference?

DBroncos4life · 05-12-2010, 07:23 PM

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Originally Posted by jhns

Why is this? I thought us, Texas, and OU got a big portion of the Big 12 money but we would have to split more evenly in the Big 10. Wouldn't that be less money Nebraska or do they just make that much more money in the Big 10?

Yeah McKid A is right the Big 12 doesn't have a TV deal while the Big Ten, Pac 10 and SEC all take in huge amounts of money from theirs.

alanm · 08-01-2010, 10:12 PM

Any one else pumped for the season? Fall camp starts this weekend.

BMF Bronco · 08-02-2010, 12:24 PM

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Originally Posted by alanm

Any one else pumped for the season? Fall camp starts this weekend.

Hell yes! Was donning the Big Red gear just yesterday as a matter of fact!

Kid A · 09-01-2010, 05:07 PM

As expected, it looks like the Big Ten will base the divisions on how historically competitive teams have been.

So we have:

Division 1: Michigan, Nebraska, Iowa, Michigan State, Northwestern, Minnesota

Division 2: Ohio State, Penn State, Wisconsin, Purdue, Indiana, Illinois

And each team has a designated crossover rival for every year. Nebraska's will be Penn State.

On paper Nebraska got in the better side: Michigan is down, while clear top dog OSU is on the other half. But you factor in Penn State every year on top of Michigan, Michigan St, and Iowa, and you're looking at a solid slate.

But it gets better. There are still two slots open for a couple other cross division games. And in the first two years (2011, 2012) for Nebraska those teams are...OSU and Wisconsin.

It should be a lot of fun games, but this is defintily not a gentle introduction to the league. Not that we deserve one. The new kid should get matched up against all the big name schools. Hard to imagine not coming out of these years without at least a few losses, though:

The 2011 slate:

10/1 at Wisconsin

10/8 Ohio State

10/15 Bye

10/22 at Minnesota

10/29 Michigan State

11/5 Northwestern

11/12 at Penn State

11/19 at Michigan

11/26 Iowa

And 2012:

9/29 Wisconsin

10/6 at Ohio State

10/13 Bye

10/20 at Northwestern

10/27 Michigan

11/3 at Michigan State

11/10 Penn State

11/17 Minnesota

11/24 at Iowa

jhns · 09-02-2010, 02:49 PM

We better hope we are really back or we are going to get killed those first two years in the Big 10. Those are some tough schedules. I like it though. The better competition will only help the team get better.

Evenrude · 09-02-2010, 07:40 PM

I am hearing T-Magic (Martinez) is going to start at QB... not real excited about a redshirt freshman starting at QB against Texas.... but heard he has been just sick in practice.

Kid A · 09-03-2010, 07:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Evenrude

I am hearing T-Magic (Martinez) is going to start at QB... not real excited about a redshirt freshman starting at QB against Texas.... but heard he has been just sick in practice.

Martinez is getting a ton of hype...most of it based on quotes from other players after practice. He did look good in the spring game. My guess is a Lee-Martinez mix, ala Florida in 06 with Leak and Tebow. The freshman might be too talented not to play some, but the coaches will temper that by giving the veteran plenty of playing time too. Lee is healthy, and showed something promising in the Holiday Bowl. At least that's what I think would be the smart move.

But, if they want to go all in with T-Magic (or even Green, I guess) it will make these first couple games against cupcakes more compelling. Everyone loves a hyped freshman. But if we are serious about a national title run, the track record for freshman QBs is thin.

Kid A · 09-05-2010, 09:14 AM

Extended highlights for anyone who wasn't able to catch the pay per view:

Obviously, Martinez was the story. Yeah it was a ****ty WKU defense, but he showed a knack for breaking big plays, and didn't seem phased at any point. Might want a couple passes back (especially in the 2 minute drill at the end of the 1st half), but he looked like a solid passer most the time. He's going to have some struggles against the Texas' of the world...but so would any QB on our roster. He looks and sounds like he doesn't get rattled by much. I'd be awesome if he is the real deal and we can look forward to having the same QB for 4 years. We shall see.

Bo ripped the defense after the game, and probably deservedly. They were fine in the 1st half, but they got run over in the 2nd. It's only week 1, but it seems obvious that we will miss Suh in the middle a lot. Losing our starting LBs won't help either. We should still be a good defense, but all this talk that we could be even better despite losing the best defensive player in school history is looking pretty silly. I'm still confident they'll be intimidating in a month or so, but it looks like the offense should plan on scoring more than 10 points a game this year.

Upgraded offense, downgraded defense in week 1. Not sure where that leaves us, but I'm excited to see what strides they make against Idaho...and of course the next week at Washington.

Evenrude · 09-05-2010, 09:33 PM

I think you nailed it McKid..... pretty much my take.

The one thing on offense that still needs some major work is the WRs holding on to the ball. There were a lot of drops last night. The RBs looked solid and really all three QBs looked decent.

Also, this Western Kentucky team will win some games this year, not saying they are a good team but they are not the worst team like they were last year IMO.

BMF Bronco · 09-06-2010, 08:27 PM

I was telling my dad that Martinez reminds me of crouch, only with a better arm. Man, I was super excited about the offense, regardless of who they were playing. Defense will step back up, that's Pelini's bread and butter, he'll get their asses into gear for sure. I am super jacked for this year!

jhns · 09-07-2010, 06:56 AM

I wouldn't worry about the defense that much. I'm pretty sure we gave up more yards and such in last seasons opener. We also took some LB injuries that hurt some.

I am excited about the offense. It shows a lot of potential. I won't go as far as calling them good until we play someone worth while though. I really liked how the QBs played.

Kid A · 09-13-2010, 01:38 PM

Martinez getting some facetime and coverage on SI.com:

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/201...ion/index.html

Pretty cool. We'll learn a lot more about him in this next game, his first road game and first major conference opponent. Washington doesn't exactly have a great defense, but it will be a step up for sure. Looking forward to it.

jhns · 09-13-2010, 01:57 PM

I like the big play ability of Martinez and this offense. That said, they made way to many mistakes this weekend. We would have struggled against a good team. The defense looked a lot better this week though.
Can't wait to see this team against Washington. They aren't looking good but at least it is somewhat better competition.

Kid A · 09-18-2010, 06:04 PM

So I guess, after taking the 2009 season off, we're fielding an offense this year? They look so explosive. Martinez, Helu, Paul...give any of them a step on you and they're hitting their head on the goalposts. And Burkhead and Kinnie have been gouging teams too.

It's finally fun to watch both sides of the ball. When was the last time we could say that?

Kid A · 09-19-2010, 07:57 AM

Extended highlights:

jhns · 09-20-2010, 06:50 AM

This team is looking real good. I'm not sure we could hang with Alabama right now but we should have a great season.

Kid A · 09-20-2010, 04:38 PM

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Originally Posted by jhns

This team is looking real good. I'm not sure we could hang with Alabama right now but we should have a great season.

We could hang with them. This team could hang with anybody (they pretty much showed that last year, even without any offense). The question is if they can finish against anybody. I have zero doubt we can have a lead late in the 4th against any team in the nation.

What Nebraska has been incapable of in recent years is not choking at the very end. If they can get over that problem (or, hell, just rack up bigger leads early on) this team can be special.

BMF Bronco · 09-20-2010, 08:41 PM

I loved the game this weekend, they looked great and buckled down when needed, Martinez looked awesome, the D stepped up, and Helu is looking fantastic as well!

Kid A · 10-02-2010, 10:30 PM

I have a hard time seeing either OU or Nebraska going unbeaten given some of the flaws we've seen from them, but they should both be favored in every game the rest of the way. That said, they both need to start rooting for the other to win out.

The Big XII does not look to have many teams that are respected on the national scene (outside the Sooners and Huskers). Meanwhile Oregon, Boise, Alabama, TCU, and Ohio St are all looking like they have run-the-table potential. This could be a tough year for the Big XII champion, even if they go undefeated. The only shot at the BCS title might be if we get a battle of unbeatens in the championship that gets national attention.

Again, that scenario might be longshot given the up and down performance of both teams, but it would certainly be my dream scenario and a fitting end to the Big 8 rivalry. First, though, we need to prove we're the team that pounded Washington, not the one that sleepwalked to an ugly escape against SDSU.

09-18-2010, 06:04 PM	#2320
Kid A Ring of Famer I don't need love. I just need wins Join Date: Aug 2004 Posts: 4,590	So I guess, after taking the 2009 season off, we're fielding an offense this year? They look so explosive. Martinez, Helu, Paul...give any of them a step on you and they're hitting their head on the goalposts. And Burkhead and Kinnie have been gouging teams too. It's finally fun to watch both sides of the ball. When was the last time we could say that? Last edited by Kid A; 09-18-2010 at 06:08 PM..

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05-11-2010, 05:58 PM	#2301
Kid A Ring of Famer I don't need love. I just need wins Join Date: Aug 2004 Posts: 4,590	I have mixed feelings about the Big 10 possibility. Pros: -It would be us making the first move, not reacting too late after Texas and OU jump ship to the SEC or something. -Lots more money. Like at least $10 million more a year. -While not a lot of obvious/traditional rivalries up there, we would probably be taking Mizzou with us and Iowa would be a fun series. And Ohio State, Michigan, Penn State, Wisconsin would all be cool matchups every year. -Dr. Tom isn't a big fan of the Big XII. He was lone dissenting vote to lock the league championship game into Cowboy stadium for the next three years. He has always felt Texas gets way too much power (which they do). In short, we would be getting out from under Texas' shadow. Granted OSU and Michigan are big boys too, but I'm not sure they run the league on the level Texas does (at least in Tom's eyes). Cons: -Different recruiting region. We've always depended big on Texas recruiting, which would probably take a hit by not playing there twice a year or being on TV in that region all the time. -Loss of long running rivalries. In the case of a Big XII implosion CU goes to the Pac-10, and what remains of the OU rivalry might just be dead. The teams that needs to be really worried about all this talk are KU and K-State. Who takes them in (though KU basketball is obviously always a commodity)? -Not sure I'm sold the Big 10 is an overall tougher conference (I'll take Texas and OU over OSU and Michigan in the last decade, with TT, Nebraska, K-State all fielding at least a couple formidble teams in that same stretch), but it's hard to imagine whatever division they put us in would be as easy as the Big XII North has been. Probably end up with Penn State and Iowa on our side (assuming they keep OSU and Mich together). Anyway, really interesting to see how this plays out. I wouldn't mind seeing the Big XII man up and get stronger to avoid a break up (get TCU?). But if it's inevitable, I'd like us to be ones taking initiative. If we get offered a lot more money and the XII doesn't counter...we're going.

05-11-2010, 06:59 PM	#2302
Kid A Ring of Famer I don't need love. I just need wins Join Date: Aug 2004 Posts: 4,590	I think this article is the closest to the truth: http://www.omaha.com/article/2010051...t-is-plausible He says that the Big 10 never officially asks people to join, but they can suggest that a school apply to join, which would be voted on during their meetings on May 17-18. I'd put big money on Nebraska, Mizzou, Notre Dame, and Rutgers being teams that were encouraged to submit applications. If all four were to apply/join, they'd need to add another school to get to 16. If Notre Dame says no thanks I think they stay at 14. Either way, I think the odds of this happening are pretty high. Any idea what the divisions would look like? I bolded the teams I think are a lock to be grouped together. West: Nebraska, Missouri, Illinois, Iowa, Notre Dame, Wisconsin, Minnesota, TEAM # 16 (Kansas? Pitt?) East: Ohio State, Michigan, Michigan State, Penn State, Purdue, Indiana, Rutgers, Northwestern

05-11-2010, 10:12 PM	#2303
BMF Bronco Offseason sucks... Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Bozeman, MT Posts: 11,724 Adopt-a-Bronco: ME	Piss on that, stay in the big xii so i can rub it in to my family how ****ty CU is every year!

05-12-2010, 03:21 PM	#2304
DBroncos4life Hey pic Mod!?!?! FU Why yes, that is Bacon Bacon. Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: The wrong side of right. Posts: 26,548	McKid A you are right we can't sit and sink with the B12. The Texas recruiting thing is over blown a tad though. It's not like we steal many players from Texas. If they want a player they get them so we get the rest. The only issue with recruiting there now that I see could become a problem is the distance that parents would have to travel now to see games. At the same time though we would get way more games on national TV because of the Big Ten network deals.

08-01-2010, 10:12 PM	#2308
alanm Hanging Out Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Nebraska/Wyoming/Colorado Posts: 366	Any one else pumped for the season? Fall camp starts this weekend.

09-01-2010, 05:07 PM	#2310
Kid A Ring of Famer I don't need love. I just need wins Join Date: Aug 2004 Posts: 4,590	As expected, it looks like the Big Ten will base the divisions on how historically competitive teams have been. So we have: Division 1: Michigan, Nebraska, Iowa, Michigan State, Northwestern, Minnesota Division 2: Ohio State, Penn State, Wisconsin, Purdue, Indiana, Illinois And each team has a designated crossover rival for every year. Nebraska's will be Penn State. On paper Nebraska got in the better side: Michigan is down, while clear top dog OSU is on the other half. But you factor in Penn State every year on top of Michigan, Michigan St, and Iowa, and you're looking at a solid slate. But it gets better. There are still two slots open for a couple other cross division games. And in the first two years (2011, 2012) for Nebraska those teams are...OSU and Wisconsin. It should be a lot of fun games, but this is defintily not a gentle introduction to the league. Not that we deserve one. The new kid should get matched up against all the big name schools. Hard to imagine not coming out of these years without at least a few losses, though: The 2011 slate: 10/1 at Wisconsin 10/8 Ohio State 10/15 Bye 10/22 at Minnesota 10/29 Michigan State 11/5 Northwestern 11/12 at Penn State 11/19 at Michigan 11/26 Iowa And 2012: 9/29 Wisconsin 10/6 at Ohio State 10/13 Bye 10/20 at Northwestern 10/27 Michigan 11/3 at Michigan State 11/10 Penn State 11/17 Minnesota 11/24 at Iowa

09-02-2010, 02:49 PM	#2311
jhns I'm all up in your face but you still can't C me! Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Omaha Posts: 12,405 Adopt-a-Bronco: None	We better hope we are really back or we are going to get killed those first two years in the Big 10. Those are some tough schedules. I like it though. The better competition will only help the team get better.

09-02-2010, 07:40 PM	#2312
Evenrude Ring of Famer Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Nebraska Posts: 2,276 Adopt-a-Bronco: Joe Mays	I am hearing T-Magic (Martinez) is going to start at QB... not real excited about a redshirt freshman starting at QB against Texas.... but heard he has been just sick in practice.

09-05-2010, 09:14 AM	#2314
Kid A Ring of Famer I don't need love. I just need wins Join Date: Aug 2004 Posts: 4,590	Extended highlights for anyone who wasn't able to catch the pay per view: Obviously, Martinez was the story. Yeah it was a ****ty WKU defense, but he showed a knack for breaking big plays, and didn't seem phased at any point. Might want a couple passes back (especially in the 2 minute drill at the end of the 1st half), but he looked like a solid passer most the time. He's going to have some struggles against the Texas' of the world...but so would any QB on our roster. He looks and sounds like he doesn't get rattled by much. I'd be awesome if he is the real deal and we can look forward to having the same QB for 4 years. We shall see. Bo ripped the defense after the game, and probably deservedly. They were fine in the 1st half, but they got run over in the 2nd. It's only week 1, but it seems obvious that we will miss Suh in the middle a lot. Losing our starting LBs won't help either. We should still be a good defense, but all this talk that we could be even better despite losing the best defensive player in school history is looking pretty silly. I'm still confident they'll be intimidating in a month or so, but it looks like the offense should plan on scoring more than 10 points a game this year. Upgraded offense, downgraded defense in week 1. Not sure where that leaves us, but I'm excited to see what strides they make against Idaho...and of course the next week at Washington.

09-05-2010, 09:33 PM	#2315
Evenrude Ring of Famer Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Nebraska Posts: 2,276 Adopt-a-Bronco: Joe Mays	I think you nailed it McKid..... pretty much my take. The one thing on offense that still needs some major work is the WRs holding on to the ball. There were a lot of drops last night. The RBs looked solid and really all three QBs looked decent. Also, this Western Kentucky team will win some games this year, not saying they are a good team but they are not the worst team like they were last year IMO.

09-06-2010, 08:27 PM	#2316
BMF Bronco Offseason sucks... Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Bozeman, MT Posts: 11,724 Adopt-a-Bronco: ME	I was telling my dad that Martinez reminds me of crouch, only with a better arm. Man, I was super excited about the offense, regardless of who they were playing. Defense will step back up, that's Pelini's bread and butter, he'll get their asses into gear for sure. I am super jacked for this year!

09-07-2010, 06:56 AM	#2317
jhns I'm all up in your face but you still can't C me! Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Omaha Posts: 12,405 Adopt-a-Bronco: None	I wouldn't worry about the defense that much. I'm pretty sure we gave up more yards and such in last seasons opener. We also took some LB injuries that hurt some. I am excited about the offense. It shows a lot of potential. I won't go as far as calling them good until we play someone worth while though. I really liked how the QBs played.

09-13-2010, 01:38 PM	#2318
Kid A Ring of Famer I don't need love. I just need wins Join Date: Aug 2004 Posts: 4,590	Martinez getting some facetime and coverage on SI.com: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/201...ion/index.html Pretty cool. We'll learn a lot more about him in this next game, his first road game and first major conference opponent. Washington doesn't exactly have a great defense, but it will be a step up for sure. Looking forward to it.

09-13-2010, 01:57 PM	#2319
jhns I'm all up in your face but you still can't C me! Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Omaha Posts: 12,405 Adopt-a-Bronco: None	I like the big play ability of Martinez and this offense. That said, they made way to many mistakes this weekend. We would have struggled against a good team. The defense looked a lot better this week though. Can't wait to see this team against Washington. They aren't looking good but at least it is somewhat better competition.

09-19-2010, 07:57 AM	#2321
Kid A Ring of Famer I don't need love. I just need wins Join Date: Aug 2004 Posts: 4,590	Extended highlights:

09-20-2010, 06:50 AM	#2322
jhns I'm all up in your face but you still can't C me! Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Omaha Posts: 12,405 Adopt-a-Bronco: None	This team is looking real good. I'm not sure we could hang with Alabama right now but we should have a great season.

09-20-2010, 08:41 PM	#2324
BMF Bronco Offseason sucks... Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Bozeman, MT Posts: 11,724 Adopt-a-Bronco: ME	I loved the game this weekend, they looked great and buckled down when needed, Martinez looked awesome, the D stepped up, and Helu is looking fantastic as well!

10-02-2010, 10:30 PM	#2325
Kid A Ring of Famer I don't need love. I just need wins Join Date: Aug 2004 Posts: 4,590	I have a hard time seeing either OU or Nebraska going unbeaten given some of the flaws we've seen from them, but they should both be favored in every game the rest of the way. That said, they both need to start rooting for the other to win out. The Big XII does not look to have many teams that are respected on the national scene (outside the Sooners and Huskers). Meanwhile Oregon, Boise, Alabama, TCU, and Ohio St are all looking like they have run-the-table potential. This could be a tough year for the Big XII champion, even if they go undefeated. The only shot at the BCS title might be if we get a battle of unbeatens in the championship that gets national attention. Again, that scenario might be longshot given the up and down performance of both teams, but it would certainly be my dream scenario and a fitting end to the Big 8 rivalry. First, though, we need to prove we're the team that pounded Washington, not the one that sleepwalked to an ugly escape against SDSU.