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Probably looking at 1-2 Billion dollar project, easily. |
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![]() Are you kidding me? Crony capitalism works great! The Dow just crossed 17050. Pay attention.
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![]() Actually the premise of the proposal....that the state is ungovernable.....is no longer the case as the top two open primary system has really helped promote centrist winners to the detriment of far left and far right winners.
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Sad but true - those grand projects were conceived and attempted is a far more simplistic, "can do" world. And if a few dozen (or few hundred) people die in the process... "well, sure - but look at the awesome dam we built!" We probably couldn't go to the moon today either. Too risky. |
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Phase I was supposed to start in the Central Valley. Maybe there as it is cheaper with land prices and not as much construction in the way but ridership, when completed, would be barely sustainable for cost. I doubt anyone will want to go through the first phase and then have to rent a car to continue on to SF (unless you want to go to Fresno at the end of phase I). I believe Phase II is LA to SD which would get a ton of riders if it doesn't have many or any stops in between the two cities. The project was promised LA to SF at 2 hours and 40 minutes for $50. BS! It will cost much more and I can do a round trip for less or at $125 (some flights have at $100 round trip if purchased early). It takes about 2 hours (waiting at airport each time) and 40 minutes of flight. High rail will need to match the time at least with ticket price. We voted on it based on a $68 billion price tag. Cap n Trade is going to need to come up with a lot of money to sustain the price tag for the bond years. Luckily inflation hasn't been huge but this bond can be 30 years so who knows what happens then. Basically a lot of promises have been made and probably won't be kept. Cost go up much higher than what was promised and money hasn't been forward coming like I am sure the proponents have assumed would be there. Last edited by broncocalijohn; 07-17-2014 at 02:05 PM.. |
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![]() Republicans would never in a billion years allow a project like that. It would have to be built privately or not at all. Same with Brooklyn Bridge, Grand Coulee Dam, Golden Gate Bridge, Interstate Highway System, etc. And if the Hoover Dam started cracking, I doubt they'd allow the money to fix it, unless you cut some old folks' lunch money or something to pay for it.
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Even in a supposed golden age, things didn't work how you think they did. |
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In Orange County (conservative county), we approved twice a half cent sales tax for improvements on our roads. We took the worst traffic highway in the area (the 22 freeway) and made it one of the best. Republicans want projects that are cost effective and not with so much BS. Democrats see the future for projects but cost is no object regardless of the economy. Worst it red tape that liberal groups create for these projects. |
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There also wouldn't be the vegas that you see today, all the water shows and lights on the strip are direct results of the Hoover dam project. |
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Obama admitted as much when he said 'there's no such thing as Shovel Ready' America's shovel used to always be ready. Now we don't even know where to find it. |
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![]() Did you know that there were over a hundred people killed on the Hoover Dam project? The first guy drowned while they were still looking for a site. The last guy was his son on the exact same day 13 years after his dad’s death. What are the chances?
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![]() Just think, if we split every state into 6 states, then the 300 resulting states would better represent the 300 million people. There wouldn't be as much disparity between the electoral college and actual population. Hillary would have won the election.
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![]() Central California is screwed...Bakersfield and Stockton?
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![]() How ****ty would it be to live in a state called "Silicon Valley?" What's on the state flag, a microchip? State bird, Twitter? Change the name of the local port to USB? What do you call the high school team, the Terrabytes?
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![]() Actually it has been proven the who California splitting movement was started by Russia, with fake news and propaganda.
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