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Old 07-13-2014, 03:02 PM   #26
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Check out the interview with Chomsky that follows the piece. MHG

Gaza’s Torment, Israel’s Crimes, Our Responsibilities

By Noam Chomsky

July 12, 2014 "ICH" -
At 3am Gaza time, July 9, in the midst of Israel’s latest exercise in savagery, I received a phone call from a young Palestinian journalist in Gaza. In the background, I could hear his infant child wailing, amidst the sounds of explosions and jet planes, targeting any civilian who moves, and homes as well. He just saw a friend of his in a car clearly marked “press” blown away. And he heard shrieks next door after an explosion but can’t go outside or he’ll be a likely target. This is a quiet neighborhood, no military targets – except Palestinians who are fair game for Israel’s high tech US-supplied military machine. He said that 70% of the ambulances have been destroyed, and that by then over 70 had been killed, and of the 300 or so wounded, about 2/3 women and children. Few Hamas activists have been hit – or rocket launching sites. Just the usual victims.
It is important to understand what life is like in Gaza when Israel’s behavior is “restrained,” in between the regular manufactured crises like this one. A good sense is given in a report to UNRWA by Mads Gilbert, the courageous and expert Norwegian physician who has worked extensively in Gaza, also throughout the vicious and murderous Cast Lead operation. In every respect, the situation is disastrous. Just keeping to children, Gilbert reports: “Palestinian children in Gaza are suffering immensely. A large proportion are affected by the man-made malnourishment regime caused by the Israeli imposed blockage. Prevalence of anaemia in children <2yrs in Gaza is at 72.8%, while prevalence of wasting, stunting, underweight have been documented at 34.3%, 31.4%, 31.45% respectively.” And it gets worse as the report proceeds.

When Israel is on “good behavior,” more than two Palestinian children are killed every week, a pattern that goes back over 14 years. The underlying cause is the criminal occupation and the programs to reduce Palestinian life to bare survival in Gaza, while Palestinians are restricted to unviable cantons in the West Bank and Israel takes over what it wants, all in gross violation of international law and explicit Security Council resolutions, not to speak of minimal decency. And it will continue as long as it is supported by Washington and tolerated by Europe – to our everlasting shame

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In 13 years of rocket attacks on Israel from Gaza, it is estimated that less than 100 Israelis have been killed. Since Tuesday's assault started, Israeli attacks have killed 145 Palestinians. 82 of those killed were civilians. 25 were children. This isn't counting the numerous "retribution" assaults Israel has launched on Gaza over the last ten years. This tit for tat idiocy has been going on since the 40s. Retribution only brings retribution, forever.
So you're saying that Jewish lives are worthless. Great compassion there.
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So you're saying that Jewish lives are worthless. Great compassion there.

Actually, what I said was, "Retribution only brings retribution, forever." But since you're more of an ideologue puppet than a thinking human being, you can make up whatever you want.
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Actually, what I said was, "Retribution only brings retribution, forever." But since you're more of an ideologue puppet than a thinking human being, you can make up whatever you want.
You're the 1 that needs to wake up. What do you think would happen the day Israel said they surrendered?
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So you're saying that Jewish lives are worthless. Great compassion there.
Stop embarrassing yourself. All life is worth the same. There have been no Jewish deaths and only two injuries so far. There have been 160 Palestinian deaths with more than 1000 injures. There are more than 4000 displaced civilians taking refuge in the U.N. facilities. 70% of the Palestinian deaths have been civilians, 30% of those were children. The casualties include 17 who were killed while praying at a mosque next door to a targeted building.
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You're the 1 that needs to wake up. What do you think would happen the day Israel said they surrendered?
So, Israel ceasing this massacre would be a surrender? You've got some ****ed up ethics there.
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Stop embarrassing yourself. All life is worth the same. There have been no Jewish deaths and only two injuries so far. There have been 160 Palestinian deaths with more than 1000 injures. There are more than 4000 displaced civilians taking refuge in the U.N. facilities. 70% of the Palestinian deaths have been civilians, 30% of those were children. The casualties include 17 who were killed while praying at a mosque next door to a targeted building.
So Israel has no right to defend itself. Great. It's Israel's fault for building good buildings that can take a shelling. But because Palatines build $h!tty buildings and terrorist hide with the civilians that Israel can't hit back.
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Israel is doing more than defending. They are on the offensive in Gaza now creating 10 new terrorists for every innocent civilian they kill. They are creating bigger problems to "defend" against in the future. It's a continuous revenge cycle that started many decades ago.
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Israel is doing more than defending. They are on the offensive in Gaza now creating 10 new terrorists for every innocent civilian they kill. They are creating bigger problems to "defend" against in the future. It's a continuous revenge cycle that started many decades ago.
If that was the case why isn't Israel attacking Egypt? Why aren't they going into Syria? Jordan kinda weak right now, lets "defend" ourselves against them.
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Stop embarrassing yourself. All life is worth the same. There have been no Jewish deaths and only two injuries so far. There have been 160 Palestinian deaths with more than 1000 injures. There are more than 4000 displaced civilians taking refuge in the U.N. facilities. 70% of the Palestinian deaths have been civilians, 30% of those were children. The casualties include 17 who were killed while praying at a mosque next door to a targeted building.
Two things, zero Jewish deaths is incorrect because this round started due to the abduction and murder of those Israeli teenagers. And, Hamas is disguising and firing missiles from civilian centers.

They know they will never win on the battlefield but they know they get more and more public support every time Israel defends herself.
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Two things, zero Jewish deaths is incorrect because this round started due to the abduction and murder of those Israeli teenagers. And, Hamas is disguising and firing missiles from civilian centers.

They know they will never win on the battlefield but they know they get more and more public support every time Israel defends herself.
I don't characterize what Israel is doing now as "defending" itself. They are carrying out retaliatory attacks. The message is "For every three of us you kill, we'll kill three hundred." It's basically the same strategy the Nazi commandant of Warsaw used: Kill one German, we'll shoot a hundred Jews.

Given that this exact pattern has been repeating itself over there for my entire lifetime, I'd say they need to come up with an alternate strategy.
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I don't characterize what Israel is doing now as "defending" itself. They are carrying out retaliatory attacks. The message is "For every three of us you kill, we'll kill three hundred." It's basically the same strategy the Nazi commandant of Warsaw used: Kill one German, we'll shoot a hundred Jews.

Given that this exact pattern has been repeating itself over there for my entire lifetime, I'd say they need to come up with an alternate strategy.
Yeah...there is a massive difference between collateral damage and lining people up in front of a ditch and shooting them execution style.

I don't want anyone to die except the a-holes firing the rockets but that is a ridiculous analogy
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Yeah...there is a massive difference between collateral damage and lining people up in front of a ditch and shooting them execution style.

I don't want anyone to die except the a-holes firing the rockets but that is a ridiculous analogy
There's no difference to the people who are dead. Have you seen the film of the weapons Israel is using? They take out half a block in one whack. When you're using munitions of that caliber, the damage is not "collateral." It's intended. And it's intended to create terror. It also accomplishes absolutely zero other than creating more retribution.

Both sides have been doing this **** for over sixty years. Will they be doing the same thing sixty years from now? Entirely possible.
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The US has blood on it's hands every time Israel goes Rambo.
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If that was the case why isn't Israel attacking Egypt? Why aren't they going into Syria? Jordan kinda weak right now, lets "defend" ourselves against them.
They already did that. Israel took the Sinai desert from Egypt, the Golan heights from Syria and invaded Lebanon less than 10 years ago. Basically the Bush doctrine while Dubya was still doing drugs and not serving his country.
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I"ve always considered Zionism antithetical to American principles. How we ended up the primary supporters of a Zionist state created by Europeans, I'll never know. Our main, international job for the last hundred years or so seems to be cleaning up after European colonialism. How we adopted that role for ourselves, I'll never know.
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You're the 1 that needs to wake up. What do you think would happen the day Israel said they surrendered?
Hobo is brain-washed. This is the Zionist media at work.

They have Americans thinking that sitting down and conducting diplomacy to solve problems is tantamount to surrender.

Total BS. MHG
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Two things, zero Jewish deaths is incorrect because this round started due to the abduction and murder of those Israeli teenagers. And, Hamas is disguising and firing missiles from civilian centers.

They know they will never win on the battlefield but they know they get more and more public support every time Israel defends herself.
More nonsense. You are a product of media lies. One the rare occasions when Israelis are killed/abducted the media floods the airwaves with coverage of these crimes -- and they are crimes.

But you never hear about Israel's crimes. On average Israel murders a Palestinian child every three days -- and this average has continued for many years. But you seldom hear about these deaths because of the media bias toward Israel. MHG

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How we ended up the primary supporters of a Zionist state created by Europeans, I'll never know.
Mostly, from the shame of having done diddly to prevent the Holocaust and wishing to try to somehow make amends.
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Mostly, from the shame of having done diddly to prevent the Holocaust and wishing to try to somehow make amends.
And are we now becoming complicit in the slaughter of the Palestinians? Those are our jets dropping those bombs.

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It's Israel's fault for building good buildings that can take a shelling. But because Palatines build $h!tty buildings and terrorist hide with the civilians that Israel can't hit back.
It's because we all give them Billions Annually along with access to top U.S. technology and weapon systems.

It's just to0 bad we can't take ALL the players weapons away and let them go back to throwing rocks at each other. All that tax money kept back here could even build us a couple roads and bridges.... maybe.

Enjoy the all the death and killings... your tax dollars paid for it.
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It's because we all give them Billions Annually along with access to top U.S. technology and weapon systems.

It's just to0 bad we can't take ALL the players weapons away and let them go back to throwing rocks at each other. All that tax money kept back here could even build us a couple roads and bridges.... maybe.

Enjoy the all the death and killings... your tax dollars paid for it.
That dude's ethics are sub-human.

Last time Israel carried out one of these "cleansings" they killed over 1,400 Palestinians, 333 of which were children.
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The Palestinians will remain without the state they say they desire as long as their desire to destroy Israel outweighs their desire for a state. They've had several chances since the 40s.

Secondly, Israel is using the "roof-knocking" technique. Calling Palestinians on their cell-phones to warn them of an impending attack and dropping leaflets to tell them to "get the **** out of dodge, were attacking tomorrow" is a pretty bad way of "massacring people".

Using precision guided munitions, and vacuum bombs that such shrapnel and superheated gases inwards, so that the explosions are relatively contained are also strange ways of "massacring" people.

The FACTS are that Israel is using novel technology and techniques in order to minimize Palestinian casualties... Of course, if people STAY in buildings after the "roof-knocking" or swarm inside them after they receive a warning call, people will die. Hamas knows this and they place kids and women on the roofs as shields. But whose fault is that?
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The Palestinians will remain without the state they say they desire as long as their desire to destroy Israel outweighs their desire for a state. They've had several chances since the 40s.

Secondly, Israel is using the "roof-knocking" technique. Calling Palestinians on their cell-phones to warn them of an impending attack and dropping leaflets to tell them to "get the **** out of dodge, were attacking tomorrow" is a pretty bad way of "massacring people".

Using precision guided munitions, and vacuum bombs that such shrapnel and superheated gases inwards, so that the explosions are relatively contained -- are also strange ways of "massacring" people.

The FACTS are that Israel is using novel technology and techniques in order to minimize Palestinian casualties... Of course, if people STAY in buildings after the "roof-knocking" or swarm inside them after they receive a warning call, people will die. Hamas knows this and they place kids and women on the roofs as shields. But whose fault is that?
You're a liar.

Israel is targeting ambulances, press vehicles, hospitals, whatever.

It's not a war -- it's a shooting gallery. Slaughter for the sake of slaughter.

Israel's warnings to flee are especially sadistic. Why? Because there is nowhere for the Palestinians to go. They are trapped in the world's largest open air concentration camp.
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