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Old 07-08-2014, 08:04 PM   #51
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The National database isn't a good idea. Just a good way for the government to control it's citizens. And no that is not part of existing law.

The federal government is legally obliged to enforce deportation of illegal imigrants, and there are 50,000 at the US border.

Obama refuses to enforce the law, and is instead directing the MSM to blame thus on his political opposition. You are merely parroting his directive.
Another uninformed line of bull****. Obama has no choice in the matter. The law states that those facing deportation must be brought before an immigration court before action can be taken. The system is so overwhelmed that it takes two to three years to get to court. The people in Central America and Mexico know this, which is why they are sending their children. Even three years is better than nothing, and who knows, maybe they'll fall through the cracks. Obama asked Congress for about $3 billion to speed up the process and your pals in the GOP told him to go **** himself. They're having so much fun with the partisan smear tactics that I guess they don't actually want to solve the problem.

BTW, the numbers show that Obama has deported 1.5 times more illegals than Bush did, but of course, Fox sure as hell wasn't going to call out Bush, were they?

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They could toughen the security of the border, but as we know, that makes too much sense. Better to throw their hands up in the air and claim impossible to stop this nonsense.
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They could toughen the security of the border, but as we know, that makes too much sense. Better to throw their hands up in the air and claim impossible to stop this nonsense.
That takes money the House Republicans are not willing to fork over. Beohner blames his failure to turn over the money to Obama's failure to enforce the law. The people who actually know something about it know that Boehner is lying through his teeth, again.
http://www.migrationpolicy.org/resea...ne-enforcement

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That takes money the House Republicans are not willing to fork over. Beohner blames his failure to turn over the money to Obama's failure to enforce the law. The people who actually know something about it know that Boehner is lying through his teeth, again.
http://www.migrationpolicy.org/resea...ne-enforcement
. You do realize that this is the President that gave the VA $20 billion extra dollars and stuff got worse. Keep blaming the Repubs and money.
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. You do realize that this is the President that gave the VA $20 billion extra dollars and stuff got worse. Keep blaming the Repubs and money.
I thought we were talking about immigration?
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I thought we were talking about immigration?
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Another uninformed line of bull****. Obama has no choice in the matter. The law states that those facing deportation must be brought before an immigration court before action can be taken. The system is so overwhelmed that it takes two to three years to get to court.
Bullcrap. Any "backload" is purely manufactured by the Obama administration.

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BTW, the numbers show that Obama has deported 1.5 times more illegals than Bush did, but of course, Fox sure as hell wasn't going to call out Bush, were they?
It's a ****ing scam, just like unemployment numbers, just like the gdp.

1. Total deportations in 2011, the latest year for which complete numbers are available, numbered 715,495 – the lowest level since 1973

2. In 2012, the year the Obama administration claimed to break enforcement records, more than one-half of removals attributed to ICE were the result of Border Patrol arrests that would never have been counted as a removal in prior years. In 2008, under the Bush administration, only one-third of removals were from Border Patrol arrests.

3. As of the end of July 2013 there were 872,000 aliens – nearly half of ICE’s total docket – who had been ordered removed but who had not left the country.

4. Both forms of deportation are used by both the Border Patrol and ICE. As is shown in Table 3 below, about half of the removal cases attributed to ICE are aliens who were apprehended by the Border Patrol and then turned over to ICE




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You and your president are so full of crap, I can smell it from here.
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They do. Only an idiot would think deporting 11+ million would be a viable solution.
You are such a hypocrite. You have no problem for the soldier that went into Mexico by accident (I know people who have done this as they missed the last exit to park but to turn around is in the "fast lane" not left hand lane) and declared himself with weapons. You will back any illegal that knowingly comes into this country by breaking the law and won't turn himself in. How about the flux of illegals now coming in because they heard how Obama was allowing them to stay?

You are such an ass Peace. You don't break from your liberal alliances one bit even if it has been proven to be utterly wrong.
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Obama's motus operandi in every instance is the same. His mission is to implement the Socialist Progressive agenda at every turn.

Socialist Progressive Agenda:
1. Complete government control
2. Manipulate data in order to keep the Socialist Progressives in power

Behind every story, behind every data point published by this administration is a lie, a sinister plot, a scheme. It never stops. In fact, the heinous acts by this administration will continue to increase until he is booted out of office and the Socialist Progressives are removed from power. These are the same globalists who control Europe and the US media. Make no mistake, they are utterly despicable, and want nothing but debt slavery from every human on earth. To keep you in servitude is to keep you controlled.

This is the evil of Socialism.

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[QUOTE=broncocalijohn;4137756]You are such a hypocrite. You have no problem for the soldier that went into Mexico by accident (I know people who have done this as they missed the last exit to park but to turn around is in the "fast lane" not left hand lane) and declared himself with weapons. You will back any illegal that knowingly comes into this country by breaking the law and won't turn himself in. How about the flux of illegals now coming in because they heard how Obama was allowing them to stay?

You are such an ass Peace. You don't break from your liberal alliances one bit even if it has been proven to be utterly wrong.[/QUOTEt



When proven wrong I will.

Who have they heard it from? Oh that's right, human traffickers. It's now Obamas fault human traffickers use lies to get what they want.
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Funny, before Obama, seemed liberals believed everything Islamic terrorists were spouting when claiming our troops were going around killing every woman and child in Iraq. Gee, maybe they were lying to get what they wanted. Nah, as usual and per the routine, "that's different." There's nothing too big or small for liberals to be hypocritical about and it's nonstop.
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Obama's motus operandi in every instance is the same. His mission is to implement the Socialist Progressive agenda at every turn.

Socialist Progressive Agenda:
1. Complete government control
2. Manipulate data in order to keep the Socialist Progressives in power

Behind every story, behind every data point published by this administration is a lie, a sinister plot, a scheme. It never stops. In fact, the heinous acts by this administration will continue to increase until he is booted out of office and the Socialist Progressives are removed from power. These are the same globalists who control Europe and the US media. Make no mistake, they are utterly despicable, and want nothing but debt slavery from every human on earth. To keep you in servitude is to keep you controlled.

This is the evil of Socialism.


Norwegians visiting the board going, "WTF?"

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Funny, before Obama, seemed liberals believed everything Islamic terrorists were spouting when claiming our troops were going around killing every woman and child in Iraq. Gee, maybe they were lying to get what they wanted. Nah, as usual and per the routine, "that's different." There's nothing too big or small for liberals to be hypocritical about and it's nonstop.
JC, can you post anything without making something up.
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Norwegians visiting the board going, "WTF?"
Oil is a helluva drug.

"Norway's $890 billion sovereign wealth fund, the world's biggest, will invest in more equity and fixed income markets as it seeks to boost returns, it said on Tuesday. The fund, which invests Norway's vast surplus of oil money and is among the world's largest investors, will also take direct charge of some future real estate investments."

http://uk.reuters.com/article/2014/0...0EZ10D20140624








Norway is the largest oil producer per capita in the world, and it's not even close. Drill baby drill!
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Oil is a helluva drug.

Norway is the largest oil producer per capita in the world, and it's not even close. Drill baby drill!
So, let me see if I've got this right. Norway is socialist. Like they say, there's not a private hospital or school to be found in the country. But to you logic, because they pump oil, they are not, "...utterly despicable, and want nothing but debt slavery from every human on earth?"

I think you need to tweak your logic a bit, Ayn.
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So, let me see if I've got this right. Norway is socialist. Like they say, there's not a private hospital or school to be found in the country. But to you logic, because they pump oil, they are not, "...utterly despicable, and want nothing but debt slavery from every human on earth?"
The road to hell is paved with good intentions.

IMF, the globalists, banksters.... the ones who control the money supply and policy decisions are evil. Supporters who would enslave others for personal gain are evil. Others, maybe idealists like yourself aren't evil. You're just wrong and don't understand economics and human behavior.

The theory of Communism isn't evil. It's meant to make everything fair for all. The theory of Socialism isn't evil, shared expenses and shared benefit. However, in practice the long-term consequences are evil.

Dropping rice in 3rd world countries isn't evil, it's delivered with good intentions. Just like welfare. The result to human civilization is catastrophic.
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Most of us are all very compassionate people who love our fellow humans and would help anyone in any situation.

I understand economics, human behavior, enumerated and limited government functions, and the power of individual civil and property rights. I understand why the US Constitution is the greatest governing document in the history of mankind. Innovation and prosperity in the US didn't happen by accident. US success is directly attributable to the founding documents. Socialism has never succeeded anywhere and never will. It's been proven time and time again, and continues to be proven that it isn't sustainable.
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Wait, you forgot soaring corporate profits and record a record high equity market!
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...your president...
Fyi, if you're an American he's your president too.
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Bullcrap. Any "backload" is purely manufactured by the Obama administration.



It's a ****ing scam, just like unemployment numbers, just like the gdp.

1. Total deportations in 2011, the latest year for which complete numbers are available, numbered 715,495 – the lowest level since 1973

2. In 2012, the year the Obama administration claimed to break enforcement records, more than one-half of removals attributed to ICE were the result of Border Patrol arrests that would never have been counted as a removal in prior years. In 2008, under the Bush administration, only one-third of removals were from Border Patrol arrests.

3. As of the end of July 2013 there were 872,000 aliens – nearly half of ICE’s total docket – who had been ordered removed but who had not left the country.

4. Both forms of deportation are used by both the Border Patrol and ICE. As is shown in Table 3 below, about half of the removal cases attributed to ICE are aliens who were apprehended by the Border Patrol and then turned over to ICE




More here: http://cis.org/ICE-Illegal-Immigrant-Deportations


You and your president are so full of crap, I can smell it from here.
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[...] CIS was started in 1985 by a Michigan ophthalmologist named John Tanton — a man known for his racist statements about Latinos, his decades-long flirtation with white nationalists and Holocaust deniers, and his publication of ugly racist materials. CIS' creation was part of a carefully thought-out strategy aimed at creating a set of complementary institutions to cultivate the nativist cause — groups including the Federation for American Immigration Reform (FAIR) and NumbersUSA. As is shown in Tanton's correspondence, lodged in the Bentley Historical Library at the University of Michigan, Ann Arbor, Tanton came up with the idea in the early 1980s for "a small think tank" that would "wage the war of ideas."

And while Tanton never actually ran CIS, his correspondence shows that as late as 1994, nine years after it was started, Tanton, who remains on FAIR's board of directors today, saw himself as setting the "proper roles for FAIR and CIS." He raised millions of dollars for the think tank and published the writings of top CIS officials in his racist journal, The Social Contract. He maneuvered a friend on to the board of CIS — a man who shared his interest in eugenics and who attended events with Tanton where white nationalists gave presentations. Through it all, CIS pumped out study after study aimed at highlighting immigration's negative effects.

These studies have hardly been neutral. One of them concludes that because foreign women ("Third World gold-diggers") can obtain work permits by marrying American citizens, it's obvious that fraudulent marriage applications are "prevalent among terrorists." Another claims that because many immigrants have worked in Georgia since 2000, it's clear that unemployment among less educated native workers is up. A third says that because immigration levels have been high recently, immigrants make up a growing share of those drawing welfare.

But every one these claims, each of them at the heart of a different recent report from CIS, are either false or virtually without any supporting evidence. That came to fore again last September, when CIS organized a panel to accompany the release of yet another new report, this one claiming that municipalities in substantial numbers were permitting non-citizens to vote. When challenged, the panelists could only come up with a single possible example of the purported trend.

"CIS' attempts to blame immigrants for all of the U.S.'s problems have been laughable," said Angela Kelley of the Immigration Policy Center, a Washington, D.C., organization that uses well-known scholars to produce reports on immigration-related issues and has debunked many of the studies issued by CIS. "It is clear that CIS is not interested in serious research or getting the facts straight." [...]
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El Minion has managed to destroy pricejj's world view in two threads tonight! (Here's the other one, for those not following along: http://www.orangemane.com/BB/showthr...=115832&page=3 )
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Wait, you forgot soaring corporate profits and record a record high equity market!
Wall Street up on Zirp for the past 5 years, QE infinity and record low interest rates from the feds continuing purchase of Trillions in bonds? No way.

Meanwhile, labor participation is at an all time low, we have $18T in debt, and average Americans can no longer afford to purchase a house due to inflation that has skhrocketed through the roof.

You can't borrow and print forever.
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Meanwhile, labor participation is at an all time low, we have $18T in debt, and average Americans can no longer afford to purchase a house due to inflation that has skhrocketed through the roof.
Yup, and your solution: lower corporate taxes! That's the break they need to finally start hiring and giving raises! Don't you see how you're not looking at the big picture? Raise interest rates, which hurts businesses, but reduce tax rates, which helps businesses.
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Wait a minute. Are you denying that Obama changed the way deportations are calculated?

Accusing me of being racist, because I point out Obama's manipulated numbers is slanderous and pathetic. Were talking about securing US borders, which has nothing to do with racism. For you to imply racism, is nothing but racebaiting and a lie.

The US allows a certain number of legal migrants from nearly every country in the world every year.

Mexico wants to have unlimited illegal migration to the US every year, and you call limiting that "racist"? Pathetic. Bring your race baiting elsewhere.
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