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Old 06-13-2014, 12:40 AM   #151
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Obama easily topped Bush when he surged in Afghanistan with no purpose, and is now pulling out. His foriegn policy is absolutely muddled. He's dangerous in the worst way: he's weak.

Obama is easily the worst president of our generation. He makes Carter look like Eisenhower.
Interesting response. Especially considering we haven't been attacked at home. Don't think foreign countries think he'll take anything sitting down. I do agree on the confusion overall. His problem is that he took office on change and then brought in an old face foreign and defense team.
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Old 06-13-2014, 12:45 AM   #152
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Don't take a thing you say seriously. You sound unhinged.
You can't dispute the facts, so you resort to insults after already being called out for the very same thing in this thread. Bravo.
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Old 06-13-2014, 01:09 AM   #153
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I think foreign policy is mostly dictated by the CFR and the CIA transcending both the Ds and the Rs. They're the brains and the muscle of it all.
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Old 06-13-2014, 04:20 AM   #154
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This is absolutely Obama's fault.
Just......wow. There's a famous quote regarding Democracy, and this is a shining example.
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Old 06-13-2014, 04:25 AM   #155
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TD4HOF Lol

1. By the time Obama is done, he'll have added more to the US Federal debt than all other presidents in US history.
2. He's a Socialist Progressive doing his best to turn the US into Europe by executive fiat and midnight votes.
3. Printing $1T per year with ZIRP has done more damage to the middle class in this country than you can ever imagine. It is no longer possible for average Americans to achieve the American dream.
4. Obama is by far and away the worst president in American history and it's not even close. He makes GWB look like a veritable genius.

Your talking about a guy who is more war hungry than neocon's. Except he has no mission and no plan.

He actually figured out a way to make the most expensive healthcare system in the world even more expensive, with no end in sight.

Obama has literally taken all the worst policies created in the last 50 years, and made them worse. It takes a special **** up to do that bad. The guy is quite proficient at 'Rules for Radicals' to say the least.
This is just laughable rhetoric.
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Old 06-13-2014, 05:16 AM   #156
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Hussein kept the genie in the bottle. Bush pulled the cork.
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Old 06-13-2014, 05:17 AM   #157
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This is just laughable rhetoric.
I call it obscure-radio-station-in-the-hills talk. Rolls off the tongue nicely.
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Old 06-13-2014, 05:18 AM   #158
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I think foreign policy is mostly dictated by the CFR and the CIA transcending both the Ds and the Rs. They're the brains and the muscle of it all.
I can definitely see that. It's at least partially true.
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Old 06-13-2014, 05:27 AM   #159
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I'm pretty sure thew only thing that keeps Americans from forming sects that violently battle for control of our country is Football and decent Television programming (with a helping hand from Chipotle and Dunkin donuts). Hard to spent too much time killing each other when you have a burrito coma and haven't caught up with Game of Thrones yet.
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I'm pretty sure thew only thing that keeps Americans from forming sects that violently battle for control of our country is Football and decent Television programming (with a helping hand from Chipotle and Dunkin donuts). Hard to spent too much time killing each other when you have a burrito coma and haven't caught up with Game of Thrones yet.
The thing that keeps America together is the fact that in spite of our constant bickering none of our ideological divides are great enough to motivate mass quantities of people to bloodshed. Deep down, we all know that this concept of civilization has made life to good for us to throw it down the toilet just because we didn't vote for the current president.
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That's awesome. I was posting it as a joke but he immediately went there. Bush didn't want the troops pulled out. There were set of criteria that were to be kept in-house and when the country met those criteria, the phase out would begin.

This is absolutely Obama's fault.
Actually, the Iraqi parliament voted overwhelmingly in 2011 ordering us to GTFO.

The only way we could still be there, working from some kind of Bush era timetable or "set of criteria", would be by completely blowing off the mandates of the duly elected government that we put in place.

Awkward.
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Actually, unfortunately we do have sectarian violence here. Chicago is plagued with people outside the preferential margins dying in a daily basis. The stubborn machinations of the uber rich starve out masses of children like forgotten cornfields and strike down the hopes of families far and wide.
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Actually, the Iraqi parliament voted overwhelmingly in 2011 ordering us to GTFO.

The only way we could still be there, working from some kind of Bush era timetable or "set of criteria", would be by completely blowing off the mandates of the duly elected government that we put in place.

Awkward.
How dare our puppet government do something against our wishes!
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libtard justification, right on que. Hey, here's a thought, if one president does something bad, how about the next president come in and do it better?

Obama sucks. His foreign policy is directly responsible for this situation, just as much as Bush's, if not more. BO's non-policy for Syria is spilling over into Iraq.

just admit it, and be done with it.
How's that justification?

We shouldn't have been there in the first place. There was zero reason for it. You know it. We know it. Just admit it, and we can move the **** on.
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US is in a no win situation at this point. In hindsite, Obama should have never back down to Putin. Pushed for the moderate Sunni rebels which would have ousted Assad and held back ISIS's rise. al-Malaki would still have created a secretarian conflict in Iraq, but it wouldn't be the mess it is in today. This is unfortunately is all on Obama since his early pull back and hand's off approach has created a bigger mess.

This is basically the same mistake the US did with Afghanistan in the 80's. Backed off b/c of Soviet pressure. Led radicals to take over the country. Further western animosity. Breed future terrorists.

Rinse and repeat.
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Between this and baja's sungazing we should be energy independent in no time.


Blind people don't need to drive anyway.
Solar freakin roadways!!!!
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Actually, unfortunately we do have sectarian violence here. Chicago is plagued with people outside the preferential margins dying in a daily basis. The stubborn machinations of the uber rich starve out masses of children like forgotten cornfields and strike down the hopes of families far and wide.
Did you just plagiarize your idol Mr. Marx?
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Stop *****ing about Obama.

The problem in this country is the bipartisan system, where it's one extreme or the other.
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How's that justification?

We shouldn't have been there in the first place. There was zero reason for it. You know it. We know it. Just admit it, and we can move the **** on.
lol, the point is that BO, your personal hero who can do no wrong, has made things worse by a poorly executed exit strategy from Iraq (lousy diplomacy) and zero policy on the Syrian war (super lousy diplomacy, uber bad, top notch crapola).
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You can't dispute the facts, so you resort to insults after already being called out for the very same thing in this thread. Bravo.
Speaking of facts; The pull-out from Iraq was designed and agreed to (we have the documents) by Bush. Obama's policies in Iraq and Afghanistan have been carbon copies of Bush's policy, although Obama has been a little more drone-crazy than Bush. Of course, given the opportunity, I'm sure Bush would have done the same thing.
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Stop *****ing about Obama.

The problem in this country is the bipartisan system, where it's one extreme or the other.
I agree. But Obama really does suck.
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Stop *****ing about Obama.

The problem in this country is the bipartisan system, where it's one extreme or the other.
It's really a unipartisan system with two wings of parasites. The Federal Reserve is "bipartisan". Wall Street is "bipartisan". The bailouts were "bipartisan". Neither wing has absolute power, but together they have power over the people. Their strategy is to grow government under one wing and only piss off half the people. The other half will soon be pissed off too at the exact same thing when the new wing picks up with business as usual.
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I used to think Bush was the worst president of our generation. I can't believe that someone came in to run away with that title hands down.
World opinion, most notably that of our allies, doesn't just radically disagree with your delusional narrative, it makes you look rather silly.

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...But when Cheney says world opinion is “increasingly negative” and Rove detects “declining confidence” in the United States, it’s hard not to ask the obvious question: compared to when? In fact, while faith in the United States, and in Obama personally, has declined modestly since 2009, it is still dramatically higher than when Cheney and Rove roamed the West Wing.
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In his Hannity interview, Cheney attributed America’s supposedly deteriorating reputation to Obama personally. “If we have a problem with weakness,” he explained, “it's stemming from the White House.” But, in fact, the guy in the White House retains a personal brand that outshines America’s as a whole. And when you compare global perceptions of Obama to global perceptions of Cheney’s old boss, the gap is jaw-dropping.
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Yet Obama expanded the Afghanistan war up to 100,000 troops. Tripling the casualties. There's still more troops in Afghanistan than there were when Bush left office.
So Obama sucks for pulling out of Iraq, and for staying in Afghanistan. Flip flop it and you'd still be finding fault. At some point you're going to have to admit there was no win in either situation, no matter who was in charge. More troops, fewer troops, whatever. You were probably cheering, pumping your fists and waving your flag when we invaded Iraq. Those of us with a clue knew it was a dubious (at best) idea from the get go. If blaming Obama makes it easier to for you to cope with your fears and disappointments then by all means do what works for you. Just don't be so shocked when people call you out for your BS.
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It's really a unipartisan system with two wings of parasites. The Federal Reserve is "bipartisan". Wall Street is "bipartisan". The bailouts were "bipartisan". Neither wing has absolute power, but together they have power over the people. Their strategy is to grow government under one wing and only piss off half the people. The other half will soon be pissed off too at the exact same thing when the new wing picks up with business as usual.
I think the "size" of government is immaterial. The most pressing issue is who is pulling the strings? Who does it answer to? Who does it serve? We all know the answer to that one: It ain't the people. The second issue is its competence. Take Iraq, for example. Obviously, now that the final outcome is pulling into view, we can pretty confidently say that invading Iraq was incredibly stupid, wasteful of lives and wealth, moronic, and especially idiotic given our experiences as a nation since WWII. And yet, there are a few corporations who made billions from the Iraq Wars. And they were job creators. So it seems the private sector did very well, while the public sector (ie. "us") got left holding the bag.

Look at this so-called "Great Recession." The rich are richer than they've ever been in history in this country, by far. How can this be? For the top 1%, this recession has been the greatest cash cow in history, and continues daily to pump more wealth into their offshore accounts while the majority of the American people slide further backwards.

That seems to be the SOP of the modern U.S. government; The private sector rapes and pillages under government sanction and the taxpayers get stuck with the bill. Kind of like the British Empire and the East India company.

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