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Old 12-13-2013, 07:12 AM   #51
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I know there have been a lot of people asking where would this team be without Manning. Up until recently I still thought we were a pretty good team (maybe .500 or slightly better) with a decent QB (maybe Brock is going to be worthy of the high pick invested in him).

NOW...I think we are probably worse than a .500 ball club without PFM. He is just that good and our DEF, ST and coaching has been exposed.

So, maybe it is similar to Shanahan who I among many others believe that Elway and TD made him look smarter than he was at GM/coach. It also wasn't a SB caliber team until we brought in some DEF help in Alfred Williams and Neil Smith to bring the pressure that may have helped average at best players like Tyrone Braxton play better.

Could it be that PFM is the reason Elway is so widely regarded around the league as a "great" GM? That was a masterful signing and he deserves all the kudos for bringing Peyton here. If you are going to build a Championship team you need a QB leader. But it is fair to look deeper at this roster and see all the holes on defense (at every position DL, LB, DB and S) and he rightly deserves some blame for having what appears to be a bottom 5 or 10 defense. They just aren't that good and will most likely prevent a Super Bowl victory for us.
Bringing PM to Denver was a smart move that has obviously translated into wins. However, it would have only been considered a MASTERFUL move if he could've done so while convincing fivehead to sign for a significantly lower cap number to help the team. Specifically, your defense. Something in the range of Tom Brady money. Fivehead wouldn't/didn't do that so he and Elway should both shoulder the blame equally when Denver falls short of a championship.
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Old 12-13-2013, 07:13 AM   #52
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Yeah, in his third year of taking this team from 4-12, Elway hasn't produced the '85 Chicago Bears.
Instead he's produced an offense that is better than the 1999 Rams.

And I was going to say before it was pointed out - the criticism against Elway Wolf is hearing is from Wolf.
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Old 12-13-2013, 07:16 AM   #53
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I can't believe I am dignifying this thread. But screw it, it will allow me to waste valuable company time on a Friday.

We get a couple of days to heal up. Get our boo-boo's some treatment, etc., the guys get to hang with their families a bit.

We have two extremely winnable games to get back on track, and I would be hard pressed to think the 'Pats are gonna run the table. Matter of fact, I could see them not only losing to the 'Phins but to the Ravens as well. I know, we can't rely on other teams to take care of our sh-t, but this is a very plausible scenario. Just breathe my bruthas and sistas...
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Old 12-13-2013, 07:16 AM   #54
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Bringing PM to Denver was a smart move that has obviously translated into wins. However, it would have only been considered a MASTERFUL move if he could've done so while convincing fivehead to sign for a significantly lower cap number to help the team. Specifically, your defense. Something in the range of Tom Brady money. Fivehead wouldn't/didn't do that so he and Elway should both shoulder the blame equally when Denver falls short of a championship.
That's a fair point. Hard to blame PFM though--he is the biggest reason we at least have a well above .500 record. Just sucks when you win 13 games and can't get it done when in counts in Jan/Feb.
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Old 12-13-2013, 07:19 AM   #55
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Seriously Wolf754life, you're being called out as dishonest here dude and with your history of negativity we'd hope you can at least support your claims.

You said NFL Circles are starting to criticism Elway before this game was even 10 minutes old! That's fine but let's see it in print or if this is all just a jerk off then better to just disappear . You also make reference to 'I'm told this is similar to Shanahan ...' as if you have the ears of NFL insiders, that's cool, why not elaborate and restore your believability here?

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Old 12-13-2013, 07:25 AM   #56
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That's a fair point. Hard to blame PFM though--he is the biggest reason we at least have a well above .500 record. Just sucks when you win 13 games and can't get it done when in counts in Jan/Feb.
He has definately managed to put up record breaking numbers on offense this season. Just like everything else, NFL defenses will eventually figure it out and come calling. Even the undefeated Brady led Patriots met their match in the SB.
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NFL circles are now starting to talk about John Elway and his ability to not assemble a quality defense.

I'm told it is similar to the knock on Mike Shannahan

It looks like the Del Rio hire may have been a bad one, and the lack of depth on the defense is quite literally going to cost the broncos any shot at a superbowl

He is being roundly questioned on Paris Lenon, Omar Bolden, Sylvester Williams.

Rodgers Cromartie is a still a plus, but there is lots of skepticism about his ability to build a balanced roster.
Link or it never happened. I've heard nothing about this, and Elway has done a good job. Made some good signings, made some bad signings, it's the nature of the beast. No one gets it right 100% of the time, 100% of the time. **** happens, it's just how it is.
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Old 12-13-2013, 07:36 AM   #58
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And the Omane sheep fall for the wolfs troll trap again....

Hey wolf here's an idea. Go **** yourself troll.
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Old 12-13-2013, 07:38 AM   #59
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My biggest criticism of Elway is that he hired John Fox. That's when our ceiling was permanently lowered just below greatness (read titles). Everything else is simply the natural result of that.
lol at how stupid this post is.
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My biggest criticism of Elway is that he hired John Fox. That's when our ceiling was permanently lowered just below greatness (read titles). Everything else is simply the natural result of that.
It was either Fox or Dennison hardly exciting choices
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Jesus Christ he took over a 4-12 team and made three straight playoffs and you're nitpicking over a few moves he missed on


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Old 12-13-2013, 09:43 AM   #62
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NFL circles are now starting to talk about John Elway and his ability to not assemble a quality defense.

I'm told it is similar to the knock on Mike Shannahan

It looks like the Del Rio hire may have been a bad one, and the lack of depth on the defense is quite literally going to cost the broncos any shot at a superbowl.

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My biggest criticism of Elway is that he hired John Fox. That's when our ceiling was permanently lowered just below greatness (read titles). Everything else is simply the natural result of that.
That's so cute.

Both Ag/Wolfe are in sync with their monthly cycles.
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Old 12-13-2013, 09:59 AM   #63
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He has definately managed to put up record breaking numbers on offense this season. Just like everything else, NFL defenses will eventually figure it out and come calling. Even the undefeated Brady led Patriots met their match in the SB.
Is this some KC fan a-hole?

How can anyone criticize Elway for bringing in manning. WEVE BEEN WINNING!
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Old 12-13-2013, 10:05 AM   #64
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NFL circles are now starting to talk about John Elway and his ability to not assemble a quality defense.

I'm told it is similar to the knock on Mike Shannahan

It looks like the Del Rio hire may have been a bad one, and the lack of depth on the defense is quite literally going to cost the broncos any shot at a superbowl

He is being roundly questioned on Paris Lenon, Omar Bolden, Sylvester Williams.

Rodgers Cromartie is a still a plus, but there is lots of skepticism about his ability to build a balanced roster.
Show us some links and don't be Luigi giving us your opinion. I just finished watching the game so wasn't here last night. I am sure you trolled hardcore during and after the game since you had only 2 posts since in the last few weeks.
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Old 12-13-2013, 10:06 AM   #65
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It was either Fox or Dennison hardly exciting choices
Could have been Ron Rivera.
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This message is hidden because wolf754life is a big of a troll as SoCal.
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Old 12-13-2013, 10:40 AM   #68
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Maybe he should get the talking circles even more talkative and bring in ****ing Kerry Rhodes.
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is there a team that has near the record we have this year that has had as much roster turnover as us?
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Most teams now days play crappy defense. I probably have watched more NFL games than just about anybody this season and only about 4 teams have a defense that doesn't suck.
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is there a team that has near the record we have this year that has had as much roster turnover as us?
Yes, as much as I hate them, the Patriots have probably been hit worse.
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Still waiting on mods to force Wolf to provide proof of "NFL inside circles" or ban his ass.

Doesn't it seem that TJ might have told mods that these type of trolls are good for the Mane for advertising purposes? I would have no idea what these types of lying threads makes the Mane look good to the fans out there.
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bringing PFM to denver , AT THE VERY LEAST, provided JFE with an exit strategy for the TEBOW CIRCUS!!
that alone was worth the move
PFM has been great, and JFE has been oustanding in creating a contender from the rubble left in the wake of JMCD !
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Aside from having a lay up draft pick (Von Miller) in potentially the best top heavy draft in NFL history and picking up a QB with money, what else has Elway done?

You're going to find out just how good Elway's GM skills are in a year or two when Manning hangs em up. The Broncos wouldn't even be at .500 with an average QB right now.
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Aside from having a lay up draft pick (Von Miller) in potentially the best top heavy draft in NFL history and picking up a QB with money, what else has Elway done?

You're going to find out just how good Elway's GM skills are in a year or two when Manning hangs em up. The Broncos wouldn't even be at .500 with an average QB right now.
Until last night I might have argued with you but now you are correct (earlier today I even posted that we probably aren't a .500 team without PFM).

Elway was one of the most competitive players to ever play the game (or any game for that matter) so I truly like him in the front office. We will see what he is made of for sure.
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