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Old 11-04-2013, 09:43 AM   #126
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Saw some serious sparks flying today at the hospital. Was there for a routine sonogram with my wife as she's pregnant. Many mothers were notified that they'd their insurance contract was dropped. The staff told each couple "You can pay $700 if you want the sonogram". One after another walked out. One guy was cussing out the staff and hammering Obamacare.

It's here. "Be careful what you wished for".
Why does a simple sonogram cost $700? That's insane. We can b**** about the ACA, insurance companies, etc, but a $700 sonagram drives home the crux of the problem with healthcare in the USA.
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Old 11-04-2013, 10:05 AM   #127
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Why does a simple sonogram cost $700? That's insane. We can b**** about the ACA, insurance companies, etc, but a $700 sonagram drives home the crux of the problem with healthcare in the USA.
Insurance enables the $700 sonogram. But it doesn't create it.

$700 sonograms exist because a large majority of people who need sonograms don't much care whether it costs $200 or $1,000.
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Old 11-04-2013, 10:20 AM   #128
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My wife received a letter from Blue Cross that her plan would no longer be available. She has attempted to log on to the Healthcare.gov website everyday with no success. The annoying part is she fills out the same 4 pages of information including passwords, secret questions and email address before she is told the site is unavailable.

She has a catastrophic healthcare policy with a 10K deductable and it was perfect when combined with a HSA (tax-advantaged medical savings account). We used that account to pay all her routine healthcare expense.

I should feel lucky that I’m included in one of Obama’s special chosen groups that will not have to enroll in Obama care.
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Why does a simple sonogram cost $700? That's insane. We can b**** about the ACA, insurance companies, etc, but a $700 sonagram drives home the crux of the problem with healthcare in the USA.
Good question. The procedure itself takes about 10 minutes. Waiting room use to be full of 20+ mothers. The other day it was empty. The business manager of the office was almost in tears as she explained the situation. I don't think she was worried about the patients as much as she was realizing she will be out a job by the end of the week.

That sucks PonyBoy. Well at least you can take comfort that you didn't vote Obama in only to cut your own throat. It's my democrat buddies that were already on the fence about Obama that undoubtedly will be kicking themselves when they get their letters. Some already have.

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Old 11-04-2013, 11:22 AM   #130
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http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories...11-03-07-39-37

AP puts the cancellation count at "at least 3.5 million" but says that doesn't include numbers from half the States.

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“That means that no matter how we reform health care, we will keep this promise to the American people: If you like your doctor, you will be able to keep your doctor, period. If you like your health-care plan, you’ll be able to keep your health-care plan, period.

No one will take it away, no matter what.”
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Here's a simple question? Why can't you go to the Heathcare.gov site for your state and download a simple PDF file with all the options and prices for the healthcare plans available.

Why do you have to fill the shopping cart to see these secret prices?
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Here's a simple question? Why can't you go to the Heathcare.gov site for your state and download a simple PDF file with all the options and prices for the healthcare plans available.

Why do you have to fill the shopping cart to see these secret prices?
Easy. Its about getting to "single payer".
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Because me thinks the site was built to get you logged on & involved in the sign up process before you ever saw the actual prices. Of course people are going to interpret this differently according their political stripes.
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here's one for you bobo.thanks Obama!

Fox News Finds A Victim -- Of Republicans' Obamacare Sabotage

Fox News obscured Republicans' role in creating a Medicaid coverage gap in the administration's health care expansion to hype one woman's coverage loss as an example of Obama's broken promises.

Fox host Elisabeth Hasselbeck welcomed guest Tammy Fiechtner onto the November 1 Fox & Friends to discuss a letter she received from her insurer explaining that she's being automatically moved to a new insurance plan. Hasselbeck hyped "what's being called the Obamacare coverage gap," saying, despite the letter, that she "hasn't gotten a new plan. In fact, she doesn't have coverage at all." Fiechtner's comments shed more light on her predicament; the new plan she was being moved to had a similar premium, but a higher deductible. Fiechtner then explained that after exploring her options, she found that she would have qualified for Medicaid coverage under the Affordable Care Act (ACA)'s expansion of the program, but her Republican-led home state of Nebraska chose not to accept the Medicaid expansion (emphasis added):

FIECHTNER: When we went on the website, we found out that we didn't qualify for Obamacare because of how our business structure works. So, we were told that we had to go on Medicaid, which I don't understand why I have to be on Medicaid, but that's where they directed us to. Nebraska did not expand Medicaid, so there will be no help for people like ourselves. So we now are forced to buy a new plan all on own and face these expenses by ourselves.

As The New York Times reported, the ACA was "written to require all Americans to have health coverage" and "about 30 million uninsured Americans were to have become eligible for financial help" through subsidies for lower-income earners and the Medicaid expansion. According to the Times, the Supreme Court's 2012 decision to allow states to opt out of the Medicaid expansion left millions of low-income consumers without financial help in acquiring insurance:

But the Supreme Court's ruling on the health care law last year, while upholding it, allowed states to choose whether to expand Medicaid. Those that opted not to leave about eight million uninsured people who live in poverty ($19,530 for a family of three) without any assistance at all.



Hasselbeck's attempt to lay the blame for Fiechtner's situation on President Obama papers over Republicans' role in sabotaging access to affordable health insurance. As Politico reported in a November 1 story headlined "The Obamacare sabotage campaign," there is "a strong factual basis" for the charge that "calculated sabotage by Republicans at every step" has undermined key points of the law -- including the Medicaid expansion -- and has seriously damaged the overall rollout (emphasis added):


http://mediamatters.org/blog/2013/11...bamacar/196710
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Fox News Finds A Victim -- Of Republicans' Obamacare Sabotage

Fox News obscured Republicans' role in creating a Medicaid coverage gap in the administration's health care expansion to hype one woman's coverage loss as an example of Obama's broken promises.

Fox host Elisabeth Hasselbeck welcomed guest Tammy Fiechtner onto the November 1 Fox & Friends to discuss a letter she received from her insurer explaining that she's being automatically moved to a new insurance plan. Hasselbeck hyped "what's being called the Obamacare coverage gap," saying, despite the letter, that she "hasn't gotten a new plan. In fact, she doesn't have coverage at all." Fiechtner's comments shed more light on her predicament; the new plan she was being moved to had a similar premium, but a higher deductible. Fiechtner then explained that after exploring her options, she found that she would have qualified for Medicaid coverage under the Affordable Care Act (ACA)'s expansion of the program, but her Republican-led home state of Nebraska chose not to accept the Medicaid expansion (emphasis added):

FIECHTNER: When we went on the website, we found out that we didn't qualify for Obamacare because of how our business structure works. So, we were told that we had to go on Medicaid, which I don't understand why I have to be on Medicaid, but that's where they directed us to. Nebraska did not expand Medicaid, so there will be no help for people like ourselves. So we now are forced to buy a new plan all on own and face these expenses by ourselves.

As The New York Times reported, the ACA was "written to require all Americans to have health coverage" and "about 30 million uninsured Americans were to have become eligible for financial help" through subsidies for lower-income earners and the Medicaid expansion. According to the Times, the Supreme Court's 2012 decision to allow states to opt out of the Medicaid expansion left millions of low-income consumers without financial help in acquiring insurance:

But the Supreme Court's ruling on the health care law last year, while upholding it, allowed states to choose whether to expand Medicaid. Those that opted not to leave about eight million uninsured people who live in poverty ($19,530 for a family of three) without any assistance at all.



Hasselbeck's attempt to lay the blame for Fiechtner's situation on President Obama papers over Republicans' role in sabotaging access to affordable health insurance. As Politico reported in a November 1 story headlined "The Obamacare sabotage campaign," there is "a strong factual basis" for the charge that "calculated sabotage by Republicans at every step" has undermined key points of the law -- including the Medicaid expansion -- and has seriously damaged the overall rollout (emphasis added):


http://mediamatters.org/blog/2013/11...bamacar/196710

He quotes madia matters. Next you'll qutoe the koz.
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Fox News Finds A Victim -- Of Republicans' Obamacare Sabotage

Fox News obscured Republicans' role in creating a Medicaid coverage gap in the administration's health care expansion to hype one woman's coverage loss as an example of Obama's broken promises.

Fox host Elisabeth Hasselbeck welcomed guest Tammy Fiechtner onto the November 1 Fox & Friends to discuss a letter she received from her insurer explaining that she's being automatically moved to a new insurance plan. Hasselbeck hyped "what's being called the Obamacare coverage gap," saying, despite the letter, that she "hasn't gotten a new plan. In fact, she doesn't have coverage at all." Fiechtner's comments shed more light on her predicament; the new plan she was being moved to had a similar premium, but a higher deductible. Fiechtner then explained that after exploring her options, she found that she would have qualified for Medicaid coverage under the Affordable Care Act (ACA)'s expansion of the program, but her Republican-led home state of Nebraska chose not to accept the Medicaid expansion (emphasis added):

FIECHTNER: When we went on the website, we found out that we didn't qualify for Obamacare because of how our business structure works. So, we were told that we had to go on Medicaid, which I don't understand why I have to be on Medicaid, but that's where they directed us to. Nebraska did not expand Medicaid, so there will be no help for people like ourselves. So we now are forced to buy a new plan all on own and face these expenses by ourselves.

As The New York Times reported, the ACA was "written to require all Americans to have health coverage" and "about 30 million uninsured Americans were to have become eligible for financial help" through subsidies for lower-income earners and the Medicaid expansion. According to the Times, the Supreme Court's 2012 decision to allow states to opt out of the Medicaid expansion left millions of low-income consumers without financial help in acquiring insurance:

But the Supreme Court's ruling on the health care law last year, while upholding it, allowed states to choose whether to expand Medicaid. Those that opted not to leave about eight million uninsured people who live in poverty ($19,530 for a family of three) without any assistance at all.



Hasselbeck's attempt to lay the blame for Fiechtner's situation on President Obama papers over Republicans' role in sabotaging access to affordable health insurance. As Politico reported in a November 1 story headlined "The Obamacare sabotage campaign," there is "a strong factual basis" for the charge that "calculated sabotage by Republicans at every step" has undermined key points of the law -- including the Medicaid expansion -- and has seriously damaged the overall rollout (emphasis added):


http://mediamatters.org/blog/2013/11...bamacar/196710
Lolz. What does Medicaid eligibility have to do with her "If you like it, you can keep it" Policy from getting cancelled?

What's next? Are you going to argue that Democrats are completely off the hook for the whole mess they made because lots of them would like government singularly paying for everything?

If anything, those Reddish states that said thanks but no thanks are looking smarter by the day.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/...e-in-medicaid/

And like it said, it was the Supreme Court who said States had to be allowed to opt out of the Medicaid expansion.

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I never understand why people even waste their time watching Fox 'news'. I get the argument about the biases in most of the media but why make it worse by watching something that flat out lies to you. Are people really that desperate to have their views reflected back to them regardless if it's true or not. Truly pathetic.
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OK righties, I concede that Obama oversold this aspect of the PPACA. That said, I don't care that some people will be forced to upgrade. The PPACA requires standards in order to work. We can debate and adjust those standards down the line if necessary.
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He quotes madia matters. Next you'll qutoe the koz.
there's avide you can watch,from fox news.
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Lolz. What does Medicaid eligibility have to do with her "If you like it, you can keep it" Policy from getting cancelled?

What's next? Are you going to argue that Democrats are completely off the hook for the whole mess they made because lots of them would like government singularly paying for everything?

If anything, those Reddish states that said thanks but no thanks are looking smarter by the day.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/...e-in-medicaid/

And like it said, it was the Supreme Court who said States had to be allowed to opt out of the Medicaid expansion.
for the tards to point out that this woman's rates went up and medicaid didn't help because the state opted out is moronic.it's like setting a house on fire and then compalining about the smoke
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for the tards to point out that this woman's rates went up and medicaid didn't help because the state opted out is moronic.it's like setting a house on fire and then compalining about the smoke
Hah. Yeah. "Never mind all the exploding prices and cancelled coverage under the 'Affordable' Care Act. Gummint should just pay more. Cuz that solves everything."
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President Obama's top adviser Dan Pfeiffer has taken aim at the heartfelt op-ed penned by a terminal cancer patient about the disastrous impact of Obamacare on her treatment.
Pfeiffer tweeted a jab at the argument presented by Edie Littlefield Sundby, who is battling stage 4 gallbladder cancer, in her Wall Street Journal piece about how elements of her treatment will not be covered with the implementation of the Affordable Care Act, since her insurance company won't participate in the new program.
RELATED: OBAMA’S AFFORDABLE HEALTH CARE ACT DOOMS ME TO DIE: PATIENT
After the op-ed heard 'round the world gained considerable media coverage, Pfeiffer took to Twitter to place blame at the feet of Sundby's insurance company for dropping the ball, not the administration's reform.
He posted a link to a Think Progress story, “The Real Reason That The Cancer Patient Writing In Today's Wall Street Journal Lost Her Insurance,” but soon earned disdain for targeting a vulnerable patient.


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