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Old 04-28-2013, 04:53 PM   #76
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Shaun Alexander had 64 carries for 313 yards and 2 TDs his rookie season.
That still a 4.9 YPC average which is pretty good. Not his fault he didn't get the carries. Hillman is not Shaun Alexander.

Ii have huge doubts about Hillman, but I could see him being an effective component of our RB committee - in small bursts.

I actually hope we keep McGahee and Ball and they're the 1 and 2. With the two of them pounding away and splitting carries they'll both be more effective. I think wearing down opposing defenses is more important than a 'change of pace'.
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Old 04-28-2013, 05:00 PM   #77
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Old 04-28-2013, 05:02 PM   #78
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I think Hillman will be good for us he was just a little deer in the headlights last yr. When he was in manning had to really tell him what was going on. He needs to get where if someone not where they are supposed to me he is telling them where to go. Think about how this yr our players will be so further along into the playbook on offense.

I'm hoping Phillip Blake is someone the team is high on but he just couldnt learn the oline calls yet. If he turned out to be a starter in the NFL that would be a huge bonus.
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Old 04-28-2013, 05:05 PM   #79
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it's not really the Broncos who passed on LACY. It was the whole NFL that passed on him. I read that Green Bay wanted Ball in the worst way and that if they had gotten him they don't take Franklin. Lacy had a toe fusion surgery and NFL just scared to death of feet. Think about it its the one spot on a player that really surgeries have not gotten great on. I asked my doctor once and he said there are so many bones under so much pressure that foot surgeons are some of the best doctors. Foot problems in RB scare the crap out of NFL teams. They are hard to fix long term.
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Old 04-28-2013, 05:21 PM   #80
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That still a 4.9 YPC average which is pretty good. Not his fault he didn't get the carries. Hillman is not Shaun Alexander.

Ii have huge doubts about Hillman, but I could see him being an effective component of our RB committee - in small bursts.

I actually hope we keep McGahee and Ball and they're the 1 and 2. With the two of them pounding away and splitting carries they'll both be more effective. I think wearing down opposing defenses is more important than a 'change of pace'.
I don't think Ball will be more effective splitting carries. Dude is a bell cow and gets better the more carries you feed him.
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Old 04-28-2013, 05:29 PM   #81
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Can we talk about how good he looks catching the ball? Smooth, natural. Excited to see this kid play. I say we roll with Ball, Hillman, Moreno, McGahee. Seems like the coaches are down on Moreno, but he has a very useful skillset (try and tell me that his TD catch against the Ravens wasn't sick).
Moreno's contract is probably his doom. I really don't think the Broncos are going to be willing to pay him 3.5 mil.
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Old 04-28-2013, 05:32 PM   #82
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Moreno's contract is probably his doom. I really don't think the Broncos are going to be willing to pay him 3.5 mil.
With the money saved on Doom it is insurance we can afford
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Old 04-28-2013, 05:33 PM   #83
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Moreno's contract is probably his doom. I really don't think the Broncos are going to be willing to pay him 3.5 mil.
I don't either. No way in hell Elway pays him that much when last yr in his big chance once again he proved hes not durable or tough enough to get it done. Why keep him around as a bkup who can't stay healthy? last yr it made sense he was cheap on the cap. If this yr he really is 3.5 million he's ****ing gone. He won't make it on to the final roster IMO.
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Old 04-28-2013, 05:55 PM   #84
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Moreno's contract is probably his doom. I really don't think the Broncos are going to be willing to pay him 3.5 mil.
He only makes $1.7M this year, and they only save $945K in cap room if they cut him.

McGahee is due to make $2.5M and they save $2.0M cap if they cut him.

Pretty clear which guy will get cut if only one.
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Old 04-28-2013, 06:01 PM   #85
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Interesting read on Ball.

https://www.profootballfocus.com/blo...t-montee-ball/
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Old 04-28-2013, 06:09 PM   #86
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He only makes $1.7M this year, and they only save $945K in cap room if they cut him.

McGahee is due to make $2.5M and they save $2.0M cap if they cut him.

Pretty clear which guy will get cut if only one.
Moreno's cap number this year is 3.3 million, though his actual salary might be different. I'm not sure where you are getting your numbers.

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Moreno's cap number this year is 3.3 million, though his actual salary might be different. I'm not sure where you are getting your numbers.

http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/denver-broncos/yearly/
If you change the dropdown box from cap to base you'll see his salary. They still get most of that cap hit if they cut him which is why they'll likely keep him. They save more by cutting McGahee, both cap and cash.
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Old 04-28-2013, 06:18 PM   #88
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Moreno's cap number this year is 3.3 million, though his actual salary might be different. I'm not sure where you are getting your numbers.

http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/denver-broncos/yearly/
If I'm reading that right though, because of the dead money on his contract, we would actually only save about 900k against the cap if we cut him. Technically he's right.
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Old 04-28-2013, 06:22 PM   #89
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If you change the dropdown box from cap to base you'll see his salary. They still get most of that cap hit if they cut him which is why they'll likely keep him. They save more by cutting McGahee, both cap and cash.
And where are you getting that cutting him would only free up $945k?
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If I'm reading that right though, because of the dead money on his contract, we would actually only save about 900k against the cap if we cut him. Technically he's right.
Yeah I just saw where they have that listed. What an utterly ****ing retarded contract McD signed him to...
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Old 04-29-2013, 12:19 AM   #91
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Yeah I just saw where they have that listed. What an utterly ****ing retarded contract McD signed him to...
not really retarded. his cap number is still low, even for a back up.
there is no reason to cut him, Lance Ball is the one who needs to be cut.
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Old 04-29-2013, 02:17 AM   #92
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Lance Ball plays special teams. Moreno's play is "special," but probably not in the way he was hoping.
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Old 04-29-2013, 05:18 AM   #93
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Yeah I just saw where they have that listed. What an utterly ****ing retarded contract McD signed him to...
Its a boiler plate first round rookie contract with the signing bonus pro-rated through the life of the deal.

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Lance Ball plays special teams. Moreno's play is "special," but probably not in the way he was hoping.
And Ball is worthless to the offense. I don't think we should be basing our decisions on the #2/#3 RB (i.e. someone who will see significant field time) on who is a better special teams player.

Fact of the matter is before getting hurt Moreno was the best RB for this offense on the roster last year. He added a receiving element that neither McGahee or Hillman could, he didn't fumble as much as McGahee and he was more consistent running the ball than Hillman. Not to mention that he was probably the best RB in pass pro all last season.

Its great that we look to have a real three down back on the roster now with Ball, but health in the NFL is a week to week thing and we'd be a hell of a lot better off with a #2 RB who can actually fill all the roles our offense asks of him.
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Old 04-29-2013, 07:28 AM   #94
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I think McGahee and Moreno are gone this year. We'll probably carry Montee Ball as our starter, Hillman as the backup change of pace guy, and I think Mario Fannin beats out lance ball to be the 3rd rb.
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Old 04-29-2013, 08:00 AM   #96
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I'll be honest I don't know much about Montee Ball other than he was very productive in college. Watching his highlight vids he looks very smooth and gets to the hole quick. It will be exciting to see how preseason goes with him.
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Old 04-29-2013, 09:06 AM   #98
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I don't see Terrell Davis, Emmett Smith is who he reminds me of. TD was more agile while Ball is bigger and stronger like Smith.
That's how I see it too. He's very comparable to Smith.
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He only makes $1.7M this year, and they only save $945K in cap room if they cut him.

McGahee is due to make $2.5M and they save $2.0M cap if they cut him.

Pretty clear which guy will get cut if only one.
The Broncos will cut Moreno before McGahee, it's not all about the money all the time.
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The Broncos will cut Moreno before McGahee, it's not all about the money all the time.
But the money is a big factor. And Moreno is also younger and played pretty well down the stretch last year. Since Ball is going to be the primary back and Hillman probably the second option it would make sense to keep the younger, cheaper backup behind them.
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