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Old 02-17-2013, 07:15 PM   #51
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So you're saying Robert Ayers is a lost cause?
How in the hell did you get from what I said?

Jesus Christ, you're an infant.
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Old 02-17-2013, 07:27 PM   #52
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Intelligence and good character are two different things...who knows what Lacy's character is like
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Old 02-17-2013, 07:29 PM   #53
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Mayock by himself is going to have his misses. But compare him to Kiper. I'll take Mayock any day.
Not really. The only difference is that people like to remember when Kiper is wrong and they like to forget when Mayock is wrong.

I like Kiper because he is able to give his honest opinion and criticize moves. Mayock is politically correct, maybe because that's how NFL Network has to operate, and so he is either positive or on the fence about every move. Kiper had some great moments during draft coverage. I'll take his entertaining honesty over Mayock's boring speech.

Mayock's rankings are a bunch of crap as well, he is not more accurate than other draftniks. I believe Mayock had one really good year, probably 2008, when he guessed a lot of 1st round picks correctly, and then the hype got strong. Mayock's 2009 big board was a disaster and in recent years he's been just another guy.
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How in the hell did you get from what I said?

Jesus Christ, you're an infant.
Relax, you're an Ayers supporter who says Mayock's mojo washed out years ago ... seems worthy of a tweak.

Mayock's projection for Ayers always seemed bizarre to me. He wasn't "taking a flyer," he was talking crazy talk. 3 years, wtf does that mean ... wait three years for a guy to grow into his value? He's a football player, not a jazz musician. Played the position 3 years in the preeminent college conference, he's the same size now as he was then.
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Old 02-18-2013, 05:36 AM   #55
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Ayers had a very solid year that did tail off towards the end. The DE position will be a fun one to watch. They will be solid there no matter what but will it be Ayers, Hunter or Wolfe.

I would like Denver to re-sign Hunter to a one year deal and let them all battle it out.
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Old 02-19-2013, 09:16 PM   #56
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And now this:

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap100...tions-for-no-1

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The way NFL Network draft analyst Mike Mayock sees it, the Chiefs should be looking to the offensive line for their first overall draft pick. And there are only four players worth the No. 1 overall pick in this draft for Kansas City: Alabama guard Chance Warmack, UNC guard Jonathan Cooper, Texas A&M tackle Luke Joeckel or Central Michigan tackle Eric Fisher.
Good stuff.
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Old 02-20-2013, 08:28 AM   #57
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This is all pre-combine stuff. If Geno Smith lights the world on fire at the combine, he could be valued as the #1 overall pick. Really, with the way the draft is now and not having to ink a #1 pick to $30m guaranteed, why not take a flyer on a QB? You aren't going to lose nearly as much $ wise and the upside is almost too great to pass up. It really depends on what KC does via the QB position before the draft. If KC trades for Nick Foles, then they will take a LT with the #1 pick. If KC can't orchastrate a Nick Foles trade, they will probably try to trade out of the #1 pick. However, if they can't trade down from the #1 and they don't have a young QB on the roster they like, unless Geno Smith craps the bed during the combine, they will probably take him. JMHO of course.
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Old 02-20-2013, 08:52 AM   #58
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I hope KC takes a QB.
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Old 02-20-2013, 09:05 AM   #59
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lol! if kc takes a guard with the #1 overall pick, the meltdown on chefsplanet will be unbelievably epic. All the love for the new FO will be destroyed with one pick.

I can hardly wait!
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I don't want the Chiefs to take Warmack at #1. Yeah, he is a guard but he is going to be a terrific player in the NFL. I don't want them to have a guy who is considered to be the next Larry Allen.
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Still, a guard with the #1 pick? Who does this? No one, that's who.
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Still, a guard with the #1 pick? Who does this? No one, that's who.
It is unheard of but he is probably one of the safest picks they could make and is likely going to be a guy who starts for over a decade. All-Pro potential, probably one of the only early picks you could say that for.
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Charles with a good line scares me.
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I understand, but no team that I can remember has ever taken a guard with the number 1 pick. It's arguably the least valued position on the entire starting 22 man roster on offense and defense. Why not take a kicker instead, he's at least gonna score some points.

I understand the value of a guard, I do. It's just that no guard is worth the #1 pick in a draft. Heck no guard is with a top 5 pick in the draft IMHO. You don't build a franchise around a guard. You can find excellent guards later in the draft, much later in the draft. There's a reason there are very few guards in the HoF...
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I don't want the Chiefs to take Warmack at #1. Yeah, he is a guard but he is going to be a terrific player in the NFL. I don't want them to have a guy who is considered to be the next Larry Allen.
KC OL is already pretty solid. No way that they take a G at number 1.
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I understand, but no team that I can remember has ever taken a guard with the number 1 pick. It's arguably the least valued position on the entire starting 22 man roster on offense and defense. Why not take a kicker instead, he's at least gonna score some points.

I understand the value of a guard, I do. It's just that no guard is worth the #1 pick in a draft. Heck no guard is with a top 5 pick in the draft IMHO. You don't build a franchise around a guard. You can find excellent guards later in the draft, much later in the draft. There's a reason there are very few guards in the HoF...
Have you seen the price of a good guard lately?
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I don't want the Chiefs to take Warmack at #1. Yeah, he is a guard but he is going to be a terrific player in the NFL. I don't want them to have a guy who is considered to be the next Larry Allen.
I'm not going to lie Warmack might be to hard for me to pass up if he is there at number 5.
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I'm not going to lie Warmack might be to hard for me to pass up if he is there at number 5.
I would take him @ 21.
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It is unheard of but he is probably one of the safest picks they could make and is likely going to be a guy who starts for over a decade. All-Pro potential, probably one of the only early picks you could say that for.
Yep. You're right. It's not like top 5 picks break the bank anymore. $5M per year for an All-Pro Guard sounds like a pretty good deal to me.
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Have you seen the price of a good guard lately?
Yeah about $5 million cheaper than a good Tackle.
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Yeah about $5 million cheaper than a good Tackle.
Carl Nicks and Logan Mankins don't agree. They are making 9.5 and 8.5 million dollars a season. Joe Thomas average salary is just above 10 million.
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Also Jahri Evans OG average salary 8.1 million and Ben Grubbs 7.2 million both on the Saints.
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Mayock has tyrann mathieu as a fourth round pick. Would anyone object if we picked him there? I think it could be worth a shot
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Carl Nicks and Logan Mankins don't agree. They are making 9.5 and 8.5 million dollars a season. Joe Thomas average salary is just above 10 million.
They just signed. If Joe Thoms did his contact today he would get $12 at least. If Clady would not have been injured he would get $11 million in the open market.
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