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Old 02-16-2013, 06:37 PM   #26
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Aaron Curry - "Safest pick in the draft" (2009)
Robert Ayers - "Best Defensive player in the draft" (2009)
Blaine Gabbert - "He's the first QB off the board" (2010)

Those are just some of his most epic reaches. He pretty much copies group think in the national media, and his latest rankings always reflect that. Looking back on his top 5's, he has a habit of severely over-rating marginal prospects based on measurables, and whether or not they "flash" in his eyes.
You do know that the greatest evaluators ever were hitting maybe 1/3.
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Old 02-16-2013, 07:44 PM   #27
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Old 02-16-2013, 09:11 PM   #28
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Old 02-16-2013, 09:29 PM   #29
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Mayock by himself is going to have his misses. But compare him to Kiper. I'll take Mayock any day.
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Old 02-16-2013, 10:14 PM   #30
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i love Floyd and his skill set, but to rank him over Star is nonsense.
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Old 02-16-2013, 11:39 PM   #31
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We all need to push for gay cee to pick a QB at 1 and watch them flounder for another decade.
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Old 02-16-2013, 11:50 PM   #32
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We all need to push for gay cee to pick a QB at 1 and watch them flounder for another decade.
If they don't pick a QB they will flounder for another decade. It really doesn't matter one way or the other.
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I watched the film of Ogletree against Alabama and was frankly, not very impressed.
I saw him in a couple of games and had the very same conclusion. Kept looking for superman that everyone was raving about and saw a below average lb getting blocked out or allowing good yardage before the tackle.

As much as I hate saying it I'd rather keep dj for the spot if this guy is going to be drafted. And I think dumb ass is overrated. So that should tell you how little I think of this georgia peach.
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Mayock -

Aaron Curry - "Safest pick in the draft" (2009)
Robert Ayers - "Best Defensive player in the draft" (2009)
Blaine Gabbert - "He's the first QB off the board" (2010)

Those are just some of his most epic reaches. He pretty much copies group think in the national media, and his latest rankings always reflect that. Looking back on his top 5's, he has a habit of severely over-rating marginal prospects based on measurables, and whether or not they "flash" in his eyes.
I beleive his comment on Ayers was in a few years he will be the best player in the draft.

Considering the badly failed attempt to play him at OLB in the 3-4 set his developement back even farther.

He may not be the best of the class but he is coming on strong.
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Yes let's hope between the DUI as well as testing positive for drugs John and John will drop any notion of bringing another head case to the team.
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Old 02-17-2013, 01:24 AM   #36
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I have seen numerous mock drafts that have Denver selecting Shariff Floyd. That wouldn't suck.
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Old 02-17-2013, 01:59 AM   #37
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Kiper bugs me as well but saying he is a loser when it comes to the draft isn't accuarate. i bet most of the guys he puts in the first round go in the first round. Also he knows players all the way down the list. Not saying he could be a GM but he knows his stuff.
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Old 02-17-2013, 02:19 AM   #38
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You do know that the greatest evaluators ever were hitting maybe 1/3.
Yeah, most players don't pan out. Still, Mayock's reaches are worse than most. None of those media evaluators are NFL GM's for a reason. Interested to see how Mike Lombardi does in his 2nd go-round with the Browns. He did a real bang-up job with the Raiders in the mid-2000's and Browns in the '90's.

Gabbert and Locker over Newton?
Ogletree as the best LB in the draft?
Knowshon Moreno as a top 5 pick?

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Yeah, most players don't pan out. Still, Mayock's reaches are worse than most. None of those media evaluators are NFL GM's for a reason. Interested to see how Mike Lombardi does in his 2nd go-round with the Browns. He did a real bang-up job with the Raiders in the mid-2000's and Browns in the '90's.

Gabbert and Locker over Newton?
Ogletree as the best LB in the draft?
Knowshon Moreno as a top 5 pick?

If I'm CLEV I jettison Weeden and give up 2 first round picks for Flacco.

They have like $40 MM in cap space.

and speaking of QB how does Oz look now as a Bronco compared to this year's crop. 1 year of training under Manning he'd be one of the top QB's this year. Maybe that is not saying a lot but the Oz pick looks good to me

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Old 02-17-2013, 08:24 AM   #40
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Is this enough to drop him to the 2nd rnd?
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It's been gone for years
So you're saying Robert Ayers is a lost cause?
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You do know that the greatest evaluators ever were hitting maybe 1/3.
Not Jim Goodman. I've gotta check up on the numbers, but most of the players Goodman drafted in '06, '07 and '08 are still in the league. Only Greg Eslinger is gone from the '06 class. I think all four 2007 draftees are gone, but 8 of the 9 guys drafted in 2008 are still around after 4 years (Carlton Powell). 14 of 20 guys are still playing from Goodman drafts 5, 6 and 7 years ago.
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I like Bernard but he is similar to what we already have. Lighter and quicket, but we need a bruiser. Size and power to kick McGahee and Ball to the curb. It's why I am on the Le'Veon Bell train
i wouldn't say he's similar to what we already have. more that he's not the 25-30 carry back who can beat up on the opposing D. which is what we need.

but Bernard has the chance to be the best back to come out of this draft. he could be a Clinton Portis type.
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We all need to push for gay cee to pick a QB at 1 and watch them flounder for another decade.
I hope they go Geno Smith number 1. I pray that Foles rumor is bull**** because I do believe in the right situation he could become a damn good QB
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I hope they go Geno Smith number 1. I pray that Foles rumor is bull**** because I do believe in the right situation he could become a damn good QB
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i wouldn't say he's similar to what we already have. more that he's not the 25-30 carry back who can beat up on the opposing D. which is what we need.

but Bernard has the chance to be the best back to come out of this draft. he could be a Clinton Portis type.
I like Lacy who might be a better fit for the team but I agree that Bernard might be the better back. Lacy had a 2.0 GPA and scored a 18 on his SAT, might not be that big of a issue just scares me when SEC players are not very bright.
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I like Lacy who might be a better fit for the team but I agree that Bernard might be the better back. Lacy had a 2.0 GPA and scored a 18 on his SAT, might not be that big of a issue just scares me when SEC players are not very bright.
Exhibit A that intelligence does not determine running ability

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http://www.opposingviews.com/i/sports/lynch-rocks-party
Marshawn Lynch of the Seattle Seahawks is a hell of an NFL running back. So, there has to be a reason why the Buffalo Bills didnít want him anymore. And there are several, actually, and itís stuff like this.

Lynch was arrested on suspicion of DUI on Saturday in California. He was taken to jail and given a BAC test, which he failed. He was over the legal .08 limit, but the police didnít say by how much.

Lynch had his license revoked in 2008 when he plead guilty to charges of ďfailing to exercise due care toward a pedestrian.Ē He hit a woman with his car outside of a Buffalo bar. Thatís a good one. In 2009, he was suspended three games after a conviction on weapons charges.

So, yeah, add this to the list.

Lynch will most certainly be facing some sort of discipline from the league.

Yeah he is one strike away from missing a lot of time so yeah being smart is important.
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and speaking of QB how does Oz look now as a Bronco compared to this year's crop. 1 year of training under Manning he'd be one of the top QB's this year. Maybe that is not saying a lot but the Oz pick looks good to me
According to Elway (on drafting Osweiler)-

"To me it was a perfect scenario. With the importance of that position, you never waste one. Plus, we liked him a lot. And having been with him a year, we like him even more."



If the Duke likes him, I like him.

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Marshawn Lynch of the Seattle Seahawks is a hell of an NFL running back. So, there has to be a reason why the Buffalo Bills didnít want him anymore. And there are several, actually, and itís stuff like this.

Lynch was arrested on suspicion of DUI on Saturday in California. He was taken to jail and given a BAC test, which he failed. He was over the legal .08 limit, but the police didnít say by how much.

Lynch had his license revoked in 2008 when he plead guilty to charges of ďfailing to exercise due care toward a pedestrian.Ē He hit a woman with his car outside of a Buffalo bar. Thatís a good one. In 2009, he was suspended three games after a conviction on weapons charges.

So, yeah, add this to the list.

Lynch will most certainly be facing some sort of discipline from the league.

Yeah he is one strike away from missing a lot of time so yeah being smart is important.
Intelligence and good character are two different things...who knows what Lacy's character is like
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