Xanders hired in Detroit

[bronco militia]

Cecil Lammey and the bleacher report...how could you go wrong

[TonyR]

Originally Posted by TheReverend

He was hired as a capologist. He was given the GM role when McDaniels ousted Goodman Jr and his pop by association.

If I'm not mistaken, Shanahan gave Xanders the title "Assistant General Manager" when he was hired. And Xanders had a lot of roles and experience in Atlanta:

Xanders was with the Falcons in various capacities from 1994 to 2007. He also worked in some overlapping positions with the salary cap management/analysis (four years), coaching staff (five years), player personnel evaluations (nine years), football analysis/research (one year), information technology (five years) and sports management (two years).

http://blogs.ajc.com/atlanta-falcons...out-in-denver/

[KipCorrington25]

Either agreed with all of McCheat's stupid moves or sat back and said nothing with all of McCheat's stupid moves, either way this guy sucks.

[TheReverend]

Originally Posted by TonyR

If I'm not mistaken, Shanahan gave Xanders the title "Assistant General Manager" when he was hired. And Xanders had a lot of roles and experience in Atlanta:

http://blogs.ajc.com/atlanta-falcons...out-in-denver/

Completely wrong as usual.

This time around, Herock has questioned the abilities of 37-year-old Broncos G.M. Brian Xanders, whom Herock hired in Atlanta way back in 1994.

“Brian’s never scouted on the road,” Herock told Jeff Legwold of the Rocky Mountain News, “he doesn’t have those experiences of going on the road, being at the practices, getting in there and getting to know guys. That’s his challenge. He knows the cap, he understands the cap and he knows the technology that’s used now to get the job done. His big thing will be to make the call on whether a guy can play or not and that now he has to know it all.”

http://orangemane.com/BB/showthread....hlight=xanders

[Cito Pelon]

Originally Posted by TheReverend

Completely wrong as usual.



http://orangemane.com/BB/showthread....hlight=xanders

Ok, who was it that put together this group? Had to be either McD or Xanders or both, right?

Beadles
Walton
Bruton
Ayers
Moreno
Decker
DThomas
Mitch Unrein
Matt Willis
Britton Colquitt
Lance Ball
Tony Carter
Chris Clark
OC Mike McCoy
WR/QB/OC Adam Gase
RB Coach Eric Studesville

All guys that contributed to back-to-back AFC West titles.

[Cito Pelon]

Originally Posted by KipCorrington25

Either agreed with all of McCheat's stupid moves or sat back and said nothing with all of McCheat's stupid moves, either way this guy sucks.

Riiight. The trouble with your argument is Denver won back to back AFC West titles with players and coaches McD and Xanders brought in. Lot of TD's from guys that McD and Xanders brought in. One of the big deals with McD was the team got young, fast, and good on ST's. Prior to McD the team stunk on ST's, he and Xanders brought in some youth like Bruton, Matt Willis, Tony Carter, Unrein, Chris Clark, McBath that could cover kicks and made their names on ST's. Colquitt also.

[24champ]

Originally Posted by TheReverend

He was hired as a capologist. He was given the GM role when McDaniels ousted Goodman Jr and his pop by association.

McDaniels didn't oust the goodmans.

[Cito Pelon]

Originally Posted by 24champ

McDaniels didn't oust the goodmans.

And they haven't had a job in the NFL since. Shanny didn't even hire them when he got a new job in Washington.

[pricejj]

Originally Posted by Cito Pelon

Ok, who was it that put together this group? Had to be either McD or Xanders or both, right?

Whoah that's crazy. There are just as many starters left over from the Shanahan years (5...Clady, Bailey, Kuper, Woodyard, Dumervil) as there are from the McDaniels years (5...Beadles, Walton, Decker, Thomas, and Vickerson)...and wouldn't ya know, of the few remaining McDaniels players, 3 of them are my least favorite Broncos (at least until they are cut).

Pretty sad considering how many high draft picks and Free Agent acquisitions McDaniels had. Too bad 90% of them are either out of the NFL, or will be after the league year starts.

[Cito Pelon]

Originally Posted by pricejj

Whoah that's crazy. There are just as many starters left over from the Shanahan years (5...Clady, Bailey, Kuper, Woodyard, Dumervil) as there are from the McDaniels years (5...Beadles, Walton, Decker, Thomas, and Vickerson)...and wouldn't ya know, of the few remaining McDaniels players, 3 of them are my least favorite Broncos (at least until they are cut).

Pretty sad considering how many high draft picks and Free Agent acquisitions McDaniels had. Too bad 90% of them are either out of the NFL, or will be after the league year starts.

Well, your first paragraph was good, the second paragraph made no sense. It kind of broke down at the "90%". That was way wrong for sure.

[TheReverend]

Originally Posted by 24champ

McDaniels didn't oust the goodmans.

Well, considering Pat publicly acknowledged that they--and they specifically--would be the ones running the show in a GM capacity, your claim here holds zero water.

Originally Posted by Cito Pelon

Ok, who was it that put together this group? Had to be either McD or Xanders or both, right?

Beadles
Walton
Bruton
Ayers
Moreno
Decker
DThomas
Mitch Unrein
Matt Willis
Britton Colquitt
Lance Ball
Tony Carter
Chris Clark
OC Mike McCoy
WR/QB/OC Adam Gase
RB Coach Eric Studesville

All guys that contributed to back-to-back AFC West titles.

Are you trying to say that with an unprecedented amount of HIGH draft picks from tearing the team apart only garnered three above average starters? And you're CELEBRATING that?

Originally Posted by Cito Pelon

And they haven't had a job in the NFL since. Shanny didn't even hire them when he got a new job in Washington.

The elder was the extremely successful one and after decades working (and in Denver), HE likely didn't pursue or accept other work and not the other way around.

[TonyR]

Originally Posted by TheReverend

Completely wrong as usual.

The Atlanta Journal Constitution is usually wrong?

[TheReverend]

Originally Posted by TonyR

The Atlanta Journal Constitution is usually wrong?

Compared to the guy who hired him and who he worked under? I'd say so.

[24champ]

Originally Posted by TheReverend

Well, considering Pat publicly acknowledged that they--and they specifically--would be the ones running the show in a GM capacity, your claim here holds zero water.

McDaniels publicly said he was looking forward to working with the Goodmans on the upcoming draft and also going as far as to say Jim Goodman will have final say on personnel.

McDaniels didn't have that much clout in the organization to dispatch 2 guys that had been with the org for a long time. It was clearly a Bowlen/Ellis decision.

[TheReverend]

Originally Posted by 24champ

McDaniels publicly said he was looking forward to working with the Goodmans on the upcoming draft and also going as far as to say Jim Goodman will have final say on personnel.

McDaniels didn't have that much clout in the organization to dispatch 2 guys that had been with the org for a long time. It was clearly a Bowlen/Ellis decision.

Is that why he assumed control over everything immediately? Drafting on an index card? I think you're insanely naive in all things McDaniels.... which has been proven over time.

Dismantling your shoddy POV:

- Pat publicly said after firing Mike "Jim Goodman has his job, and he will have his job." (http://broncotalk.net/2008/12/5197/b...ce-transcript/).

- Pat then acknowledges they will not seek a GM and that JIM GOODMAN will fill that role "as far as the final word on personnel, it now falls to Jim Goodman, the Broncos' vice president football operations/personnel" (http://m.rockymountainnews.com/news/...hiring-new-gm/)

What's the only variable here? The hiring of McDaniels.

So again, no.

[24champ]

Originally Posted by TheReverend

Is that why he assumed control over everything immediately?

He only assumed control because that was the environment he was left with from Bowlen/Ellis. Xanders, as we all know, is not a talent evaluator, and had no business being a GM. He was only picked because of his close ties with Ellis and his capologist work.

Dismantling your shoddy POV:

- Pat publicly said after firing Mike "Jim Goodman has his job, and he will have his job." (http://broncotalk.net/2008/12/5197/b...ce-transcript/).

- Pat then acknowledges they will not seek a GM and that JIM GOODMAN will fill that role "as far as the final word on personnel, it now falls to Jim Goodman, the Broncos' vice president football operations/personnel" (http://m.rockymountainnews.com/news/...hiring-new-gm/)

Bowlen has a very long history of saying things, and then the next week doing the exact opposite. McDaniels also came out in support of the Goodmans, and I can't find a single quote prior to the Goodman's being fired that he praised Xanders. Xanders hardly seems like a guy McD would want to work with. Which is why he was completely bypassed in all football decisions.

[TheReverend]

Originally Posted by 24champ

He only assumed control because that was the environment he was left with from Bowlen/Ellis. Xanders, as we all know, is not a talent evaluator, and had no business being a GM. He was only picked because of his close ties with Ellis and his capologist work.

Bowlen has a very long history of saying things, and then the next week doing the exact opposite. McDaniels also came out in support of the Goodmans, and I can't find a single quote prior to the Goodman's being fired that he praised Xanders. Xanders hardly seems like a guy McD would want to work with. Which is why he was completely bypassed in all football decisions.

Yup. McDaniels sure has NO standing precedent of being a liar...

I'm not big on Bowlen's integrity level, but I'll take his eight thousand ways from Sunday over McDaniels

[pricejj]

Originally Posted by Cito Pelon

Well, your first paragraph was good, the second paragraph made no sense. It kind of broke down at the "90%". That was way wrong for sure.

86.3% of McDaniel's Broncos acquisitions are not NFL starters.

78.4% are either out of the NFL completely, or contributed nothing to their team in 2012 and have no NFL future.


2009-2010 McDaniel's Broncos Roster Additions -
Remaining NFL Starters (7 of 51)
1. Justin Bannan - resigned with the Broncos
2. Brandon Lloyd - Patriots starter
3. Damaryius Thomas - Broncos Pro Bowler
4. Zane Beadles - Broncos Pro Bowler
5. J.D. Walton - Broncos starter
6. Eric Decker - Broncos starter
7. Kevin Vickerson - Broncos starter

Remaining NFL contributor's (11 of 51) (part-time contributors)
8. Knowshon Moreno - Broncos back-up
9. Robert Ayers - Broncos back-up
10. David Bruton - Broncos back-up
11. Andre Brown - Giants back-up

Still Remaining in NFL (20 of 51) (non-contributors)
12. Jason Hunter - Broncos IR
13. Chris Clark - Broncos backup
14. Alphonso Smith - Lions backup
15. Darcel McBath - 49ers back-up
16. Russ Hochstein - Chiefs backup
17. Kyle Orton - Cowbows back-up
19. Brady Quinn - Chiefs Backup
19. Tim Tebow - Jets backup
20. Perish Cox - 49ers backup

Out of NFL (31 of 51)
21. Lonnie Paxton - out of NFL
22. Jabar Gaffney - out of NFL
23. Brian Dawkins - out of NFL
24. Correll Buckhalter - out of NFL
25. Darrell Reid - out of NFL
26. Renaldo Hill - out of NFL
27. Andre Goodman - out of NFL
28. Ronald Fields - out of NFL
29. Dan Gronkowski - out of NFL
30. Nick Griesen - out of NFL
31. Richard Quinn - out of NFL
32. Seth Olsen - out of NFL
33. Kenny McKinley - out of NFL
34. Jammie Kirlew
35. Blake Schlueter - out of NFL
36. Jarvis Green - out of NFL
37. Nate Jones - out of NFL
38. Le Kevin Smith - out of NFL
39. J.J. Arrington - out of NFL
40. Akin Ayodele - out of NFL
41. Stanley Daniels - out of NFL
42. Jamal Williams - out of NFL
43. Tom Brandstater - out of NFL
44. LaMont Jordan - out of NFL
45. Kenny Peterson - out of NFL
46. Andra Davis - out of NFL
47. Chris Simms - out of NFL
48. Eric Olsen - out of NFL
49. Syd'Quan Thompson - out of NFL
50. LenDale White - out of NFL
51. Ty Law - out of NFL


That is a massive amount of fail. Pretty impressive isn't it?

[Tombstone RJ]

I'm not on McD's bandwagon per say but saying guys like Dawkins, Andra Davis and Buckhalter, Law and White were worthless is not exactly true. Some of them were great but old like Dawkins. Some were contributers but old like Davis. Some were just old. So this explains why they aren't in the NFL anymore.

[TheReverend]

Originally Posted by Tombstone RJ

I'm not on McD's bandwagon per say but saying guys like Dawkins, Andra Davis and Buckhalter, Law and White were worthless is not exactly true. Some of them were great but old like Dawkins. Some were contributers but old like Davis. Some were just old.

Same thing gets held against Shanahan with "out of the NFL" stats when people try to knock the 2008 roster.

[Tombstone RJ]

Originally Posted by TheReverend

Same thing gets held against Shanahan with "out of the NFL" stats when people try to knock the 2008 roster.

agreed

[Cito Pelon]

Originally Posted by TheReverend

Are you trying to say that with an unprecedented amount of HIGH draft picks from tearing the team apart only garnered three above average starters? And you're CELEBRATING that?




The elder was the extremely successful one and after decades working (and in Denver), HE likely didn't pursue or accept other work and not the other way around.

I didn't say anything about celebrating, just pointing out the players and coaches acquired by McD that contributed to back-to-back AFC West titles. And yeah, McD and his FO gang sure blew most of those nice draft picks.

McD also brought in Matt Russell I believe, currently the chief of scouting.

[TheReverend]

Originally Posted by Cito Pelon

I didn't say anything about celebrating, just pointing out the players and coaches acquired by McD that contributed to back-to-back AFC West titles. And yeah, McD and his FO gang sure blew most of those nice draft picks.

McD also brought in Matt Russell I believe, currently the chief of scouting.

lol sure kiddo.

That assload of high draft picks and nearly all of them are rotational, special teams, or roster filler.

Meanwhile the majority of the REAL contributors and heavy lifting members of the team are still holdovers from the Shanahan era, a half decade later... not even including the guys McDaniels shipped away.

[Cito Pelon]

Originally Posted by TheReverend

lol sure kiddo.

That assload of high draft picks and nearly all of them are rotational, special teams, or roster filler.

Meanwhile the majority of the REAL contributors and heavy lifting members of the team are still holdovers from the Shanahan era, a half decade later... not even including the guys McDaniels shipped away.

What does ANY of that have to do with what I posted?

[TheReverend]

Originally Posted by Cito Pelon

What does ANY of that have to do with what I posted?

Re-read your congratulatory post towards McD/X for assembling so many "contributors" to back to back AFCW titles you dumb pile of ****.