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Old 01-24-2013, 07:51 PM   #51
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yeah, cut champ, that's a great idea. who do I have to talk to to make you my GM.

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Old 01-24-2013, 07:58 PM   #52
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wouldn't matter, I was at the game. which means I got to see things.

but here, lets run a thought experiment:

pretend that you aren't dumb and that Champ was completely awful that game. it's in the books, he fell down on an invisible banana peel ten times and ran off the field crying.

what about that all pro season he just put in? what about the fact that he's the longest tenured Bronco and the face of the franchise, and that to even entertain the possibility of cutting him like a retard would destroy the locker room? what about the fact that we, you know, want to win a super bowl next year?

or just go back to running the Broncos on Madden like an idiot, whatever works.
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Old 01-24-2013, 08:10 PM   #53
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I seem to remember the last time we traded for the best cb in the league it working out pretty well for us. If he would agree to sign a long term deal I would deal 2 ones for him. Well be picking late anyway.
And while we're at it, cut champ (not even close to being worth 11m at age 35) and restructure Peyton's deal with a big bonus since now we know he's healthy.
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Old 01-24-2013, 08:31 PM   #54
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no the hell there isn't. if the CB doesn't get roasted in coverage and allow the Jones to get 6 yards away then Moore's bad play on the ball is moot and we win that game.
Watch the play again. He didn't get roasted. He was clearly playing a zone and "dropped" coverage expecting the help over top. He got the help, but the help played the ball wrong and here we are.


Well Revis would NO DOUBT be an instant upgrade on this defense. But I think his cost would mean that you would not be looking at any FA MLB's or DT's that are really high end. I can't say it would be a bad move either because the dude is only 27 and he is a very well rounded CB, much like Champ in his prime. In a few years Champ will be gone and we would still have this guy. If we landed him, wow, that would be a nice secondary as far as your CB's go. Champ, Revis and Harris playing the nickel. Still would hope to get 1 good safety to go along with them and hopefully we could find a decent MLB and DT. Maybe if Revis wanted a real shot at a few rings with Manning he could be traded here and restructure the contract.
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Old 01-24-2013, 08:45 PM   #55
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Revis has held out twice and structured his contract so that he's in complete control of it. The chances of him taking less to play with the Broncos are ridiculously low.
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Old 01-25-2013, 02:41 AM   #56
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Think about this guys. Revis will be a FA after next season. If Denver could send the jets a 4th or 5th and get Revis it would be awesome. If Revis plays very well then the Broncos could think about re-signing him. If Revis wants too much money they let him go to FA.

On a one year deal I would not mind paying him $11 million. He'll be worth it for one year. He might just get a SB ring in Denver. Maybe he'll play so good Denver will re-sign him and move Champ to Safety?

I wouldn't just say "hell no" on this. His one year deal means that he will probably be traded cheap and that will give Denver all the flexibility on what they want to do with him after the 2013 season.

It really depends on the market. Some team might come in with a 2nd rounder and give Revis a new contract. Then of course I would not want Denver being that team.
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Old 01-25-2013, 05:59 AM   #57
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His cap hit is $9 million this year.. You restructure Champ to $5 million and your almost paying what we paid for Bailey and Porter last year. But now you have the best CB in the league with another top 10 CB who is plenty talented enough to be your number 2..

But it's gonna cost a first rounder..
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Old 01-25-2013, 06:02 AM   #58
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If Revis is given a clean bill of health, and looks great by the FO, then hell yeah you do whatever you can to sign the best CB in the NFL.
Draft a MLB and another DT.
My opinion of the DT position is to continuosly draft them every year at some point regardless of need simply because its a coveted position, and they are always wanting insane $$$ when their contract is up.
DEN doesnt need a whole lot on either side of the ball, so drafting to address those needs, and then getting a superstar at CB would be perfect.
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Old 01-25-2013, 06:04 AM   #59
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His cap hit is $9 million this year.. You restructure Champ to $5 million and your almost paying what we paid for Bailey and Porter last year. But now you have the best CB in the league with another top 10 CB who is plenty talented enough to be your number 2..

But it's gonna cost a first rounder..
Yeah, theres no way this doesnt cost DEN a 1st rounder.
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Old 01-25-2013, 06:43 AM   #60
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His cap hit is $9 million this year.. You restructure Champ to $5 million and your almost paying what we paid for Bailey and Porter last year. But now you have the best CB in the league with another top 10 CB who is plenty talented enough to be your number 2..

But it's gonna cost a first rounder..
.... and you think Bailey is going to restructure to $5 million?
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.... and you think Bailey is going to restructure to $5 million?
There's a HUGE difference between restructure and paycut. In a restructure, all they're doing is moving money around on the books from salary to bonus, etc., but Champ would still get every penny he was promised in his contract. He'd just count less against the cap.
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Old 01-25-2013, 07:16 AM   #62
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.... and you think Bailey is going to restructure to $5 million?
Glad your amused. Why should he be paid $9 million to be our #2 corner? He wants a SB.. It's more realistic than getting Revis for a 5TH ROUND PICK!
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I don't care about the restructuring...I don't want to trade a 1st rounder for a guy notorious for whining about a contract and holding out and at a position that is not our weakest.
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His cap hit is $9 million this year.. You restructure Champ to $5 million and your almost paying what we paid for Bailey and Porter last year. But now you have the best CB in the league with another top 10 CB who is plenty talented enough to be your number 2..

But it's gonna cost a first rounder..
His cap hit is 9 million to the Jets, less than that to a team who signs him because prorated bonuses, it would only be 6 million to any team that trades for him (3 million salary, 1 million roster bonus, 1 million workout bonus, 1 million reporting bonus).
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I find this funny. Rex will throw Revis on the tradeblock, but stick by ****hole Sanchez. I even remember him saying "Sanchez will be our starter for as long as I'm coach."
Well he is forever attached to Sanchez. lol..
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Old 01-25-2013, 08:08 AM   #66
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.... and you think Bailey is going to restructure to $5 million?
Champ was the highest payed CB in the league last season.. if anyone owes anybody anything , he owes us. And after the Baltimore debacle I dont see how Elway asking Champ to take one for the team is so blasphemes. It's a business and ask Shanahan and Pat Bowlen how paying guys for past performance worked out in 2000 and 2001.

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Old 01-25-2013, 08:13 AM   #67
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His cap hit is 9 million to the Jets, less than that to a team who signs him because prorated bonuses, it would only be 6 million to any team that trades for him (3 million salary, 1 million roster bonus, 1 million workout bonus, 1 million reporting bonus).
Well you dont trade for Revis unless he agrees to a long-term deal, atleast in principal. He'll cost 11-12 million a year over 5-6 years with a 15-20M bonus and we would have to give up atleast a 1st with a starter or two 1st. Possibly Chris Harris , a 3rd and this yrs first.
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Old 01-25-2013, 08:34 AM   #68
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Think about this guys. Revis will be a FA after next season. If Denver could send the jets a 4th or 5th and get Revis it would be awesome. If Revis plays very well then the Broncos could think about re-signing him. If Revis wants too much money they let him go to FA.
You have obviously missed the reports of the Jets wanting at least a first round pick.
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Old 01-25-2013, 08:45 AM   #69
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You have obviously missed the reports of the Jets wanting at least a first round pick.
What are they supposed to do? Start negotiations at a 4th rounder?

Have you never heard of the concept of negotiating before? You always ask for MORE than you want/expect and negotiate from there.

They can "demand" a first all they want. They're probably not going to get it though.
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Champ was the highest payed CB in the league last season.. if anyone owes anybody anything , he owes us. And after the Baltimore debacle I dont see how Elway asking Champ to take one for the team is so blasphemes. It's a business and ask Shanahan and Pat Bowlen how paying guys for past performance worked out in 2000 and 2001.

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He earned it for every game but one. If we want to start collecting refunds from players I don't think it should be limited to Champ.
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Denver is interested according to this report. I think it would be dumb to give up a lot for him. Probably past his prime and coming off a serious knee injury. Is it worth a first round pick and then some plus the money he would cost?

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/blog/mi...le-revis-trade
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Old 01-25-2013, 09:42 AM   #72
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I find this funny. Rex will throw Revis on the tradeblock, but stick by ****hole Sanchez. I even remember him saying "Sanchez will be our starter for as long as I'm coach."
To be fair to Rex, they can actually get something in return for Revis instead of laughter and used condoms.
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Old 01-25-2013, 09:50 AM   #73
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This is one of those situations where I'd rather it not happen, if if it did, id talk myself into it pretty easily. I guess a lot depends what they give up.
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Denver is interested according to this report. I think it would be dumb to give up a lot for him. Probably past his prime and coming off a serious knee injury. Is it worth a first round pick and then some plus the money he would cost?

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/blog/mi...le-revis-trade
He's not going to be worth it, at least not for us. But he's only 27 years old. I'm not sure how that could ever be considered past prime.

I'll be pissy if we give up our 1st for him though. We have bigger needs.
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Old 01-25-2013, 09:59 AM   #75
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Well he is forever attached to Sanchez. lol..
He could find a QB to wear #8. Pretty easy fix to the tattoo.
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