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Old 12-13-2012, 11:53 AM   #76
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What's with all the Miller is more important then PP stuff? The OP said nothing about that, one dude sniffs around that idea and next thing you know the thread is filled with all of this Miller vs Peterson crap and nobody was even trying to go there. It's called stay on topic people, try it sometime.

Sometimes this place is stupid funny.

Look, PP is a great CB and he's only getting better. Hard to say who the best is for sure, some of the elite guys over the last few years have really started to trend downward and of course, yeah Revis is hurt. But Asomugha has looked nothing like a great CB he was just a few short years ago.
the Op was probably trying to poke a stick at Rev.....certain posters took the bait.
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the Op was probably trying to poke a stick at Rev.....certain posters took the bait.
It is what it is. I don't understand the stick poking when both are having all pro seasons (hopefully Miller gets back in the DPOY race sunday) but whatever.

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Peterson is good but he isn't even best defender on his team. He can be lit up too. Living in AZ I am yet to hear a Card fan that wouldn't trade him for Miller or Watt. The only argument I can see making for Peterson is longevity at the position as CB usually can play at a higher level for a longer period of time than say a rush LB or DE.

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Rnd. Pick # NFL team Player Pos. College Conf. Notes
1 1 Carolina Panthers Cam Newton† QB Auburn SEC 2010 Heisman Trophy winner[N 2]
1 2 Denver Broncos Von Miller† LB Texas A&M Big 12
1 3 Buffalo Bills Marcell Dareus DE Alabama SEC
1 4 Cincinnati Bengals A. J. Green† WR Georgia SEC
1 5 Arizona Cardinals Patrick Peterson† CB LSU SEC
1 6 Atlanta Falcons Julio Jones WR Alabama SEC from Cleveland [R1 - 1]
1 7 San Francisco 49ers Aldon Smith LB Missouri Big 12
1 8 Tennessee Titans Jake Locker QB Washington Pac-10
1 9 Dallas Cowboys Tyron Smith OT USC Pac-10
1 10 Jacksonville Jaguars Blaine Gabbert QB Missouri Big 12 from Washington [R1 - 2]
1 11 Houston Texans J. J. Watt DE Wisconsin Big Ten
1 12 Minnesota Vikings Christian Ponder QB Florida State ACC
1 13 Detroit Lions Nick Fairley DT Auburn SEC
1 14 St. Louis Rams Robert Quinn DE North Carolina ACC
1 15 Miami Dolphins Mike Pouncey C Florida SEC
1 16 Washington Redskins Ryan Kerrigan DE Purdue Big Ten from Jacksonville [R1 - 3]
1 17 New England Patriots Nate Solder OT Colorado Big 12 from Oakland [R1 - 4]
1 18 San Diego Chargers Corey Liuget DT Illinois Big Ten
1 19 New York Giants Prince Amukamara CB Nebraska Big 12
1 20 Tampa Bay Buccaneers Adrian Clayborn DE Iowa Big Ten
1 21 Cleveland Browns Phil Taylor DT Baylor Big 12 from Kansas City [R1 - 5]
1 22 Indianapolis Colts Anthony Castonzo OT Boston College ACC
1 23 Philadelphia Eagles Danny Watkins G Baylor Big 12
1 24 New Orleans Saints Cameron Jordan DE California Pac-10
1 25 Seattle Seahawks James Carpenter OT Alabama SEC
1 26 Kansas City Chiefs Jonathan Baldwin WR Pittsburgh Big East from Atlanta via Cleveland [R1 - 6]
1 27 Baltimore Ravens Jimmy Smith CB Colorado Big 12 in lieu of pick 26 (time expired) [N 3]
1 28 New Orleans Saints Mark Ingram RB Alabama SEC from New England [R1 - 7], 2009 Heisman Trophy winner[N 4]
1 29 Chicago Bears Gabe Carimi OT Wisconsin Big Ten
1 30 New York Jets Muhammad Wilkerson DE Temple MAC
1 31 Pittsburgh Steelers Cameron Heyward DE Ohio State Big Ten
1 32 Green Bay Packers Derek Sherrod OT Mississippi State SEC
2 33 New England Patriots Ras-I Dowling CB Virginia ACC from Carolina [R2 - 1]
2 34 Buffalo Bills Aaron Williams CB Texas Big 12
2 35 Cincinnati Bengals Andy Dalton† QB TCU MWC
2 36 San Francisco 49ers Colin Kaepernick QB Nevada WAC from Denver [R2 - 2]
2 37 Cleveland Browns Jabaal Sheard DE Pittsburgh Big East
2 38 Arizona Cardinals Ryan Williams RB Virginia Tech ACC
2 39 Tennessee Titans Akeem Ayers LB UCLA Pac-10
2 40 Dallas Cowboys Bruce Carter LB North Carolina ACC
2 41 Washington Redskins Jarvis Jenkins DT Clemson ACC
2 42 Houston Texans Brooks Reed DE Arizona Pac-10
2 43 Minnesota Vikings Kyle Rudolph TE Notre Dame Ind.
2 44 Detroit Lions Titus Young WR Boise State WAC
2 45 Denver Broncos Rahim Moore S UCLA Pac-10 from San Francisco [R2 - 3]
2 46 Denver Broncos Orlando Franklin OT Miami (FL) ACC from Miami [R2 - 4]
2 47 St. Louis Rams Lance Kendricks TE Wisconsin Big Ten
2 48 Oakland Raiders Stefen Wisniewski C Penn State Big Ten
2 49 Indianapolis Colts Ben Ijalana OT Villanova CAA from Jacksonville via Washington [R2 - 5]
2 50 San Diego Chargers Marcus Gilchrist CB Clemson ACC
2 51 Tampa Bay Buccaneers Da'Quan Bowers DE Clemson ACC
2 52 New York Giants Marvin Austin DT North Carolina ACC
2 53 Chicago Bears Stephen Paea DT Oregon State Pac-10 from Indianapolis via Washington [R2 - 6]
2 54 Philadelphia Eagles Jaiquawn Jarrett S Temple MAC
2 55 Kansas City Chiefs Rodney Hudson G Florida State ACC
2 56 New England Patriots Shane Vereen RB California Pac-10 from New Orleans [R2 - 7]
2 57 Detroit Lions Mikel Leshoure RB Illinois Big Ten from Seattle [R2 - 8]
2 58 Baltimore Ravens Torrey Smith WR Maryland ACC
2 59 Cleveland Browns Greg Little WR North Carolina ACC from Atlanta [R2 - 9]
2 60 Houston Texans Brandon Harris CB Miami (FL) ACC from New England [R2 - 10]
2 61 San Diego Chargers Jonas Mouton LB Michigan Big Ten from New York Jets [R2 - 11]
2 62 Miami Dolphins Daniel Thomas RB Kansas State Big 12 from Chicago via Washington [R2 - 12]
2 63 Pittsburgh Steelers Marcus Gilbert OT Florida SEC
2 64 Green Bay Packers Randall Cobb WR Kentucky SEC
3 65 Carolina Panthers Terrell McClain DT South Florida Big East
3 66 Cincinnati Bengals Dontay Moch LB Nevada WAC
3 67 Denver Broncos Nate Irving LB North Carolina State ACC
3 68 Buffalo Bills Kelvin Sheppard LB LSU SEC
3 69 Arizona Cardinals Rob Housler TE Florida Atlantic Sun Belt
3 70 Kansas City Chiefs Justin Houston DE Georgia SEC from Cleveland [R3 - 1]
3 71 Dallas Cowboys DeMarco Murray RB Oklahoma Big 12
3 72 New Orleans Saints Martez Wilson LB Illinois Big Ten from Washington [R3 - 2]
3 73 New England Patriots Stevan Ridley RB LSU SEC from Houston [R3 - 3]
3 74 New England Patriots Ryan Mallett QB Arkansas SEC from Minnesota [R3 - 4]
3 75 Seattle Seahawks John Moffitt G Wisconsin Big Ten from Detroit [R3 - 5]
3 76 Jacksonville Jaguars Will Rackley G Lehigh Patriot from San Francisco [R3 - 6]
3 77 Tennessee Titans Jurrell Casey DT USC Pac-10
3 78 St. Louis Rams Austin Pettis WR Boise State WAC
3 79 Washington Redskins Leonard Hankerson WR Miami (FL) ACC from Miami [R3 - 7]
3 80 San Francisco 49ers Chris Culliver CB South Carolina SEC from Jacksonville [R3 - 8]
3 81 Oakland Raiders DeMarcus Van Dyke CB Miami (FL) ACC
3 82 San Diego Chargers Vincent Brown WR San Diego State MWC
3 83 New York Giants Jerrel Jernigan WR Troy Sun Belt
3 84 Tampa Bay Buccaneers Mason Foster LB Washington Pac-10
3 85 Baltimore Ravens Jah Reid OT Central Florida C-USA from Philadelphia [R3 - 9]
3 86 Kansas City Chiefs Allen Bailey DE Miami (FL) ACC
3 87 Indianapolis Colts Drake Nevis DT LSU SEC
3 88 New Orleans Saints Johnny Patrick CB Louisville Big East
3 89 San Diego Chargers Shareece Wright CB USC Pac-10 from Seattle [R3 - 10]
3 90 Philadelphia Eagles Curtis Marsh CB Utah State WAC from Baltimore [R3 - 11]
3 91 Atlanta Falcons Akeem Dent LB Georgia SEC
3 92 Oakland Raiders Joseph Barksdale OT LSU SEC from New England [R3 - 12]
3 93 Chicago Bears Chris Conte S California Pac-10
3 94 New York Jets Kenrick Ellis DT Hampton MEAC
3 95 Pittsburgh Steelers Curtis Brown CB Texas Big 12
3 96 Green Bay Packers Alex Green RB Hawaii WAC
3* 97 Carolina Panthers Sione Fua DT Stanford Pac-10
4 98 Carolina Panthers Brandon Hogan CB West Virginia Big East
4 99 Seattle Seahawks K. J. Wright LB Mississippi State SEC from Denver via New England [R4 - 1]
4 100 Buffalo Bills Da'Norris Searcy CB North Carolina ACC
4 101 Cincinnati Bengals Clint Boling G Georgia SEC
QB: Andy Dalton
WR: Green, Julio Jones and Randall Cobb
TE: Kyle Rudolph
RB: Stevan Ridley, Demarco Murray
OL: Nate Solder, Orlando Franklin, Mike Pouncey, Castonzo, Tyron Smith

DL: JJ Watt, Nick Fairley, Corey Liuget, Justin Houston
LB: Von Miller, Akeem Ayers, Bruce Carter
CB: Patrick Peterson, Prince Amukamara
S: Rahim Moore, Chris Conte

A ton of depth at DL and WR, interior OL and DB is a bit thin though. I think that team with good coaching would be a playoff contender in either conference and probably would be fighting for a bye.
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Old 12-13-2012, 12:37 PM   #81
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K: Alex Henery
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At first I was surprised you went with Dalton over Cam Newton but after some thought it makes sense.

What about long snapper?
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At first I was surprised you went with Dalton over Cam Newton but after some thought it makes sense.

What about long snapper?
I went with Kyle Nelson from San Diego over the kid from St Louis.
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http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com...inst-megatron/

Although Lions-Cardinals is nowhere near the NFL’s best game on Sunday, that game will feature one of the NFL’s best individual matchups when Lions receiver Calvin Johnson is covered by Cardinals cornerback Patrick Peterson.

In fact, to hear Peterson tell it, the only better individual matchup in all the NFL than Peterson vs. Megatron is the one that happens in Cardinals practice, when Peterson covers teammate Larry Fitzgerald.

“I think I am the best cornerback in the league right now,” Peterson told reporters in a conference call this week. “You know, me and Calvin, we’re the same caliber players.”

But Peterson doesn’t consider Johnson the best receiver in the league right now.

“He’s second in my book behind Larry,” Peterson said.
he probably is

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QB: Andy Dalton
WR: Green, Julio Jones and Randall Cobb
TE: Kyle Rudolph
RB: Stevan Ridley, Demarco Murray
OL: Nate Solder, Orlando Franklin, Mike Pouncey, Castonzo, Tyron Smith

DL: JJ Watt, Nick Fairley, Corey Liuget, Justin Houston
LB: Von Miller, Akeem Ayers, Bruce Carter
CB: Patrick Peterson, Prince Amukamara
S: Rahim Moore, Chris Conte

A ton of depth at DL and WR, interior OL and DB is a bit thin though. I think that team with good coaching would be a playoff contender in either conference and probably would be fighting for a bye.
Wtf? DL is way the **** off. No Aldon or Wilkerson on your team even

DEs: Aldon Smith, Houston
DTs: Watt, Wilkerson

And Richard Sherman has to be Opp Peterson.
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no Ryan Kerrigan, Marcell Dareus?
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Just one man's opinion......

I cannot recall Miller tooting his own horn about being the best....you usually hear other players and coaches and analysts and fans saying it
Yep. How does the saying go?

When you're GOOD, you tell people.

When you're GREAT, THEY tell YOU.
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Wtf? DL is way the **** off. No Aldon or Wilkerson on your team even

DEs: Aldon Smith, Houston
DTs: Watt, Wilkerson

And Richard Sherman has to be Opp Peterson.
I wouldn't start Aldon Smith in a 4-3 in a million years, he defends the run less well than Elvis Dumervil does. Watt is better at base end than at 3-tech, he makes most of his plays in the 5-tech against the RT and in a 4-3 I would have him play LDE and kick him inside on passing downs. Fairley is the 2nd best 3-tech in the league right now behind Geno Atkins. Wilkerson is a good alternative to Liuget, I went with Liuget because I have seen more of his games and know his game better. I will give you Aldon Smith, Fairley, Wilkerson and Watt - but no way in hell I am putting Houston and Aldon Smith in there.

I tried to stay away from people who are injured, using PEDs or otherwise suspended, that is why I don't have Sherman.
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no Ryan Kerrigan, Marcell Dareus?
If I was going with a 3-4 defense:

Aldon Smith, JJ watt, Wilkerson, Dareus, Von Miller with Akeem Ayers and Bruce Carter at ILB.
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no Ryan Kerrigan, Marcell Dareus?
Kerrigan has stepped up during this skins win streak but he I still wouldn't put him on this all 2011 draft team.

In all fairness, maybe he needs more help. Right now the only capable pass rusher on the skins is rob jackson and even he isn't consistent at it.

But Kerrigan was a disappearing act earlier this season.

He's ok and still early in his career, definitely has flashes of perhaps becoming a dominating guy but at some point he will be labeled as just who he is, a nice slightly above avg player
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I wouldn't start Aldon Smith in a 4-3 in a million years, he defends the run less well than Elvis Dumervil does. Watt is better at base end than at 3-tech, he makes most of his plays in the 5-tech against the RT and in a 4-3 I would have him play LDE and kick him inside on passing downs. Fairley is the 2nd best 3-tech in the league right now behind Geno Atkins. Wilkerson is a good alternative to Liuget, I went with Liuget because I have seen more of his games and know his game better. I will give you Aldon Smith, Fairley, Wilkerson and Watt - but no way in hell I am putting Houston and Aldon Smith in there.

I tried to stay away from people who are injured, using PEDs or otherwise suspended, that is why I don't have Sherman.
Ok no Smith at DE but you put Houston there? No Dareus over fairley?
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Texas fans are saying the same about JJ
9er fans are saying the same about Aldon
Bengal fans are saying the same about Green
Cardinals fans are saying the same about Peterson
Panther fans are saying the same about Cam
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Too bad they are all wrong.
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I wouldn't start Aldon Smith in a 4-3 in a million years, he defends the run less well than Elvis Dumervil does. Watt is better at base end than at 3-tech, he makes most of his plays in the 5-tech against the RT and in a 4-3 I would have him play LDE and kick him inside on passing downs. Fairley is the 2nd best 3-tech in the league right now behind Geno Atkins. Wilkerson is a good alternative to Liuget, I went with Liuget because I have seen more of his games and know his game better. I will give you Aldon Smith, Fairley, Wilkerson and Watt - but no way in hell I am putting Houston and Aldon Smith in there.

I tried to stay away from people who are injured, using PEDs or otherwise suspended, that is why I don't have Sherman.
This is exactly why discussing non Bronco players on the OM is ****ing retarded.
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Von miller is more important than PP.

A dominating pass rusher is the single biggest key on a defense. Look at the giants; secondary is suspect but that pass rush is elite
San Diego was keeping 3 blockers in at times to deal with Von Miller.
He forces an offense to change what they do on almost every down. He has to be accounted for on every play.

All Peterson's opposing QBs have to do is throw away from him. Can he shut down their best WR? Certainly. That's a nice luxury and we've had that with Champ for years. But, we also saw how useless Champ was without real pressure up front.

Most teams have 2-3 viable weapons in the passing game now, if not more.
A franchise cornerback can only deal with one of them.

We picked the right guy. I can't imagine any Broncos fans would argue that at this point. It's not even close.
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Bengal fans are saying the same about Green
Cardinals fans are saying the same about Peterson
Panther fans are saying the same about Cam
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Ok no Smith at DE but you put Houston there? No Dareus over fairley?
Houston is a much better run defender than Aldon Smith, he isn't quite as strong as a pure pass rusher but it is closer than the stats suggest - without the 5.5 sacks Aldon Smith got against a retarded Chicago Bears offence the sack numbers would be within tolerance when considering Houston plays on the left side of the defense much of the time.

Dareus would be instead of Wilkerson or Liuget - he is not nearly as disruptive as Fairley and they don't play the same position.
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