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Old 12-13-2012, 09:39 AM   #51
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Chromartie, Browner (although he is on the sauce), Tillman and Jennings are all better than Peterson and if Revis was healthy I think we all know where in the discussion he would be.
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Old 12-13-2012, 09:47 AM   #52
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Sherman's doing much better than Peterson overall. And if you are a team player you don't open your mouth and express your ego right after your team lost 58-0. Let your play do your talking.
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At this current point in time, Von was the best player selected in that draft.....
Texas fans are saying the same about JJ
9er fans are saying the same about Aldon
Bengal fans are saying the same about Green
Cardinals fans are saying the same about Peterson
Panther fans are saying the same about Cam
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Old 12-13-2012, 09:57 AM   #54
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Sherman's doing much better than Peterson overall. And if you are a team player you don't open your mouth and express your ego right after your team lost 58-0. Let your play do your talking.
This^....

But it's kind of hard to let your play do the talking when the team leading your division doesn't have any WR's that will allow you to display your immense talent.....
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Old 12-13-2012, 09:58 AM   #55
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Tony Carter is just as good
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Old 12-13-2012, 09:58 AM   #56
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I shiver at the thought of those games. He got gashed as well, but it wasn't necessarily his fault. That's the thing with DBs; it's not possible to keep up with the receiver for 10+ seconds.

Great example is the giants DBs who are absolute trash without that vaunted pass rush
Champ didn't get gashed in his Indy game (he didn't play the first one). Harrison was an after thought with 50 yards. It was Wayne with 220 yards and 2 TD's on the other side. Whoever Champ wasn't on got the ball in that game it was so hard to watch.
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Old 12-13-2012, 10:02 AM   #57
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Texas fans are saying the same about JJ
9er fans are saying the same about Aldon
Bengal fans are saying the same about Green
Cardinals fans are saying the same about Peterson
Panther fans are saying the same about Cam
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Just one man's opinion......

I cannot recall Miller tooting his own horn about being the best....you usually hear other players and coaches and analysts and fans saying it
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Believe what you want; portis was a big time player here.

Oh and how did Bailey do against evil peyton "colts" manning when he was surrounded with shanarat's other defensive personnel in those glorious playoff games against the colts?
Harrison 4 catches 51 yards. Previous year sans Bailey with Portis Harrison 7 catches 133 yards

Why do I see quotes all the time from GMs past and present that when building a foundation you want these cornerstone players: QB, LT, DE and CB

Not sure where I see the RB come into the equation. They are a specialty player who you want to add to put your team over the top. Portis had 4 very good years in Washinton but was ran into the ground and is out of the league

Bailiey has made more big plays in the playoffs than Portis in his , is still playing at a Pro Bowl level and will enter the HOF.

Not sure how you can debate a cornerstone HOF player vs a speciality very good football player
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Just one man's opinion......

I cannot recall Miller tooting his own horn about being the best....you usually hear other players and coaches and analysts and fans saying it
His coaches, teammates and analysts have been saying it too.
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tony is definitely playing at a high level this season.....
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Old 12-13-2012, 10:05 AM   #61
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What's with all the Miller is more important then PP stuff? The OP said nothing about that, one dude sniffs around that idea and next thing you know the thread is filled with all of this Miller vs Peterson crap and nobody was even trying to go there. It's called stay on topic people, try it sometime.

Sometimes this place is stupid funny.

Look, PP is a great CB and he's only getting better. Hard to say who the best is for sure, some of the elite guys over the last few years have really started to trend downward and of course, yeah Revis is hurt. But Asomugha has looked nothing like a great CB he was just a few short years ago.

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Old 12-13-2012, 10:05 AM   #62
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Champ Bailey is leading the AFC in probowl votes, sweet hahah
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His coaches, teammates and analysts have been saying it too.
Well of course his team mates and coaches would say that, I wouldn't expect them to say otherwise....however the key word was other....as in opposing fans, coaches and players.
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Champ Bailey is leading the AFC in probowl votes, sweet hahah
So is Miller and Manning

When was the last time that happend? Maybe 1998 with Elway , Davis and Sharpe?

This year has that 97,98 smell. BTW 97 last time a Broncos team was top 5 in offense and defense
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Harrison 4 catches 51 yards. Previous year sans Bailey with Portis Harrison 7 catches 133 yards

Why do I see quotes all the time from GMs past and present that when building a foundation you want these cornerstone players: QB, LT, DE and CB

Not sure where I see the RB come into the equation. They are a specialty player who you want to add to put your team over the top. Portis had 4 very good years in Washinton but was ran into the ground and is out of the league

Bailiey has made more big plays in the playoffs than Portis in his , is still playing at a Pro Bowl level and will enter the HOF.

Not sure how you can debate a cornerstone HOF player vs a speciality very good football player
Because I have seen what each guy has done for his respective franchise. JMO; I go by the eye test and impact from what I see

I'm not saying anyone has to agree or anything
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Why would AZ trade PP for a backup QB when they are in a position to draft one high?
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love Carter... but GTFO!!!
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Old 12-13-2012, 10:28 AM   #68
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Why would AZ trade PP for a backup QB when they are in a position to draft one high?
Specially when they already got served on the Kolb for Cro trade. They will never let that happen again.
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What's with all the Miller is more important then PP stuff? The OP said nothing about that, one dude sniffs around that idea and next thing you know the thread is filled with all of this Miller vs Peterson crap and nobody was even trying to go there. It's called stay on topic people, try it sometime.

Sometimes this place is stupid funny.

Look, PP is a great CB and he's only getting better. Hard to say who the best is for sure, some of the elite guys over the last few years have really started to trend downward and of course, yeah Revis is hurt. But Asomugha has looked nothing like a great CB he was just a few short years ago.
People take non Bronco success very personally for some reason. Especially when there's even a perceived tie to the team.
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Peterson's awesome, but I'd rather have a disruptive front seven guy.

Too many ticky tack judgment calls/non calls in the secondary nowadays.
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Confidence is good for a CB. But I think Revis is still probably the best all round CB.
Confidence is good. I don't know why cornerbacks and WR's have to have both confidence AND big mouths.

I guess in our self-esteem society, the two are the same.
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Although Lions-Cardinals is nowhere near the NFL’s best game on Sunday, that game will feature one of the NFL’s best individual matchups when Lions receiver Calvin Johnson is covered by Cardinals cornerback Patrick Peterson.

In fact, to hear Peterson tell it, the only better individual matchup in all the NFL than Peterson vs. Megatron is the one that happens in Cardinals practice, when Peterson covers teammate Larry Fitzgerald.

“I think I am the best cornerback in the league right now,” Peterson told reporters in a conference call this week. “You know, me and Calvin, we’re the same caliber players.”

But Peterson doesn’t consider Johnson the best receiver in the league right now.

“He’s second in my book behind Larry,” Peterson said.
He is really good, other than that who cares?
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Wonder how a team comprised totally of the 2011 draft (Cam, Von etc) would have faired in this season. Would they be in the play offs? Would they be considered a prime contender to win the SB?
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Amazing play. Right up there with Champs toe dragging pick in 06
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Rnd. Pick # NFL team Player Pos. College Conf. Notes
1 1 Carolina Panthers Cam Newton† QB Auburn SEC 2010 Heisman Trophy winner[N 2]
1 2 Denver Broncos Von Miller† LB Texas A&M Big 12
1 3 Buffalo Bills Marcell Dareus DE Alabama SEC
1 4 Cincinnati Bengals A. J. Green† WR Georgia SEC
1 5 Arizona Cardinals Patrick Peterson† CB LSU SEC
1 6 Atlanta Falcons Julio Jones WR Alabama SEC from Cleveland [R1 - 1]
1 7 San Francisco 49ers Aldon Smith LB Missouri Big 12
1 8 Tennessee Titans Jake Locker QB Washington Pac-10
1 9 Dallas Cowboys Tyron Smith OT USC Pac-10
1 10 Jacksonville Jaguars Blaine Gabbert QB Missouri Big 12 from Washington [R1 - 2]
1 11 Houston Texans J. J. Watt DE Wisconsin Big Ten
1 12 Minnesota Vikings Christian Ponder QB Florida State ACC
1 13 Detroit Lions Nick Fairley DT Auburn SEC
1 14 St. Louis Rams Robert Quinn DE North Carolina ACC
1 15 Miami Dolphins Mike Pouncey C Florida SEC
1 16 Washington Redskins Ryan Kerrigan DE Purdue Big Ten from Jacksonville [R1 - 3]
1 17 New England Patriots Nate Solder OT Colorado Big 12 from Oakland [R1 - 4]
1 18 San Diego Chargers Corey Liuget DT Illinois Big Ten
1 19 New York Giants Prince Amukamara CB Nebraska Big 12
1 20 Tampa Bay Buccaneers Adrian Clayborn DE Iowa Big Ten
1 21 Cleveland Browns Phil Taylor DT Baylor Big 12 from Kansas City [R1 - 5]
1 22 Indianapolis Colts Anthony Castonzo OT Boston College ACC
1 23 Philadelphia Eagles Danny Watkins G Baylor Big 12
1 24 New Orleans Saints Cameron Jordan DE California Pac-10
1 25 Seattle Seahawks James Carpenter OT Alabama SEC
1 26 Kansas City Chiefs Jonathan Baldwin WR Pittsburgh Big East from Atlanta via Cleveland [R1 - 6]
1 27 Baltimore Ravens Jimmy Smith CB Colorado Big 12 in lieu of pick 26 (time expired) [N 3]
1 28 New Orleans Saints Mark Ingram RB Alabama SEC from New England [R1 - 7], 2009 Heisman Trophy winner[N 4]
1 29 Chicago Bears Gabe Carimi OT Wisconsin Big Ten
1 30 New York Jets Muhammad Wilkerson DE Temple MAC
1 31 Pittsburgh Steelers Cameron Heyward DE Ohio State Big Ten
1 32 Green Bay Packers Derek Sherrod OT Mississippi State SEC
2 33 New England Patriots Ras-I Dowling CB Virginia ACC from Carolina [R2 - 1]
2 34 Buffalo Bills Aaron Williams CB Texas Big 12
2 35 Cincinnati Bengals Andy Dalton† QB TCU MWC
2 36 San Francisco 49ers Colin Kaepernick QB Nevada WAC from Denver [R2 - 2]
2 37 Cleveland Browns Jabaal Sheard DE Pittsburgh Big East
2 38 Arizona Cardinals Ryan Williams RB Virginia Tech ACC
2 39 Tennessee Titans Akeem Ayers LB UCLA Pac-10
2 40 Dallas Cowboys Bruce Carter LB North Carolina ACC
2 41 Washington Redskins Jarvis Jenkins DT Clemson ACC
2 42 Houston Texans Brooks Reed DE Arizona Pac-10
2 43 Minnesota Vikings Kyle Rudolph TE Notre Dame Ind.
2 44 Detroit Lions Titus Young WR Boise State WAC
2 45 Denver Broncos Rahim Moore S UCLA Pac-10 from San Francisco [R2 - 3]
2 46 Denver Broncos Orlando Franklin OT Miami (FL) ACC from Miami [R2 - 4]
2 47 St. Louis Rams Lance Kendricks TE Wisconsin Big Ten
2 48 Oakland Raiders Stefen Wisniewski C Penn State Big Ten
2 49 Indianapolis Colts Ben Ijalana OT Villanova CAA from Jacksonville via Washington [R2 - 5]
2 50 San Diego Chargers Marcus Gilchrist CB Clemson ACC
2 51 Tampa Bay Buccaneers Da'Quan Bowers DE Clemson ACC
2 52 New York Giants Marvin Austin DT North Carolina ACC
2 53 Chicago Bears Stephen Paea DT Oregon State Pac-10 from Indianapolis via Washington [R2 - 6]
2 54 Philadelphia Eagles Jaiquawn Jarrett S Temple MAC
2 55 Kansas City Chiefs Rodney Hudson G Florida State ACC
2 56 New England Patriots Shane Vereen RB California Pac-10 from New Orleans [R2 - 7]
2 57 Detroit Lions Mikel Leshoure RB Illinois Big Ten from Seattle [R2 - 8]
2 58 Baltimore Ravens Torrey Smith WR Maryland ACC
2 59 Cleveland Browns Greg Little WR North Carolina ACC from Atlanta [R2 - 9]
2 60 Houston Texans Brandon Harris CB Miami (FL) ACC from New England [R2 - 10]
2 61 San Diego Chargers Jonas Mouton LB Michigan Big Ten from New York Jets [R2 - 11]
2 62 Miami Dolphins Daniel Thomas RB Kansas State Big 12 from Chicago via Washington [R2 - 12]
2 63 Pittsburgh Steelers Marcus Gilbert OT Florida SEC
2 64 Green Bay Packers Randall Cobb WR Kentucky SEC
3 65 Carolina Panthers Terrell McClain DT South Florida Big East
3 66 Cincinnati Bengals Dontay Moch LB Nevada WAC
3 67 Denver Broncos Nate Irving LB North Carolina State ACC
3 68 Buffalo Bills Kelvin Sheppard LB LSU SEC
3 69 Arizona Cardinals Rob Housler TE Florida Atlantic Sun Belt
3 70 Kansas City Chiefs Justin Houston DE Georgia SEC from Cleveland [R3 - 1]
3 71 Dallas Cowboys DeMarco Murray RB Oklahoma Big 12
3 72 New Orleans Saints Martez Wilson LB Illinois Big Ten from Washington [R3 - 2]
3 73 New England Patriots Stevan Ridley RB LSU SEC from Houston [R3 - 3]
3 74 New England Patriots Ryan Mallett QB Arkansas SEC from Minnesota [R3 - 4]
3 75 Seattle Seahawks John Moffitt G Wisconsin Big Ten from Detroit [R3 - 5]
3 76 Jacksonville Jaguars Will Rackley G Lehigh Patriot from San Francisco [R3 - 6]
3 77 Tennessee Titans Jurrell Casey DT USC Pac-10
3 78 St. Louis Rams Austin Pettis WR Boise State WAC
3 79 Washington Redskins Leonard Hankerson WR Miami (FL) ACC from Miami [R3 - 7]
3 80 San Francisco 49ers Chris Culliver CB South Carolina SEC from Jacksonville [R3 - 8]
3 81 Oakland Raiders DeMarcus Van Dyke CB Miami (FL) ACC
3 82 San Diego Chargers Vincent Brown WR San Diego State MWC
3 83 New York Giants Jerrel Jernigan WR Troy Sun Belt
3 84 Tampa Bay Buccaneers Mason Foster LB Washington Pac-10
3 85 Baltimore Ravens Jah Reid OT Central Florida C-USA from Philadelphia [R3 - 9]
3 86 Kansas City Chiefs Allen Bailey DE Miami (FL) ACC
3 87 Indianapolis Colts Drake Nevis DT LSU SEC
3 88 New Orleans Saints Johnny Patrick CB Louisville Big East
3 89 San Diego Chargers Shareece Wright CB USC Pac-10 from Seattle [R3 - 10]
3 90 Philadelphia Eagles Curtis Marsh CB Utah State WAC from Baltimore [R3 - 11]
3 91 Atlanta Falcons Akeem Dent LB Georgia SEC
3 92 Oakland Raiders Joseph Barksdale OT LSU SEC from New England [R3 - 12]
3 93 Chicago Bears Chris Conte S California Pac-10
3 94 New York Jets Kenrick Ellis DT Hampton MEAC
3 95 Pittsburgh Steelers Curtis Brown CB Texas Big 12
3 96 Green Bay Packers Alex Green RB Hawaii WAC
3* 97 Carolina Panthers Sione Fua DT Stanford Pac-10
4 98 Carolina Panthers Brandon Hogan CB West Virginia Big East
4 99 Seattle Seahawks K. J. Wright LB Mississippi State SEC from Denver via New England [R4 - 1]
4 100 Buffalo Bills Da'Norris Searcy CB North Carolina ACC
4 101 Cincinnati Bengals Clint Boling G Georgia SEC

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