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Old 11-03-2012, 11:53 AM   #151
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He is going to get paid. Manning himself will make sure that happens. There was a risk for both sides to cut off talks but it also lets them focus on season. It clearly is working as they are having success. Good for Clady to regain his pre injury level of play.

Would it be safe to say that Clady is by far the best player Shanny ever drafted?
of the later years draft yes..

prior to that. Pryce, Wilson,Neil, TD, after about the year 2ooo not much to cheer about..
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it was foolishness then, it's even more foolishness now.

though Lelie was starting to develop into a nice WR until he went into full on diva with PMS and a stick shoved up his prissy little rear end mode.
but the main thing that pisses me off about the Foster draft.
we took that worthless **** in the same draft as the most useless draft pick of all time. Terry Pierce. failing that epically in the top two rounds is damn near impossible and yet somehow we managed to do it.
ashely a great WR ahahahahahaha made some awesome catches but almost always out of bounds or in the end zone.. regular over the middle catches where he could be tackled or hit the dude had alligator arms..

he was a world beater in college, but he never played against a DB that was worth a crap in the WAC.. once he got into the pros all of sudden these guys were as good/fast as he was and it hurt when he got tackled..

I suspect he was living up to his name ashely..

might be decent in todays NFL where the WR can't be touched but back then not so much..

you are correct about foster and TP, infact that whole draft stunk

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1 	20 	George Foster 	T 	Georgia
2 	51 	Terry Pierce 	LB 	Kansas State
4 	108 	Quentin Griffin 	RB 	Oklahoma
4 	114 	Nick Eason 	DT 	Clemson
4 	128 	Bryant McNeal 	DE 	Clemson
5 	157 	Ben Claxton 	C 	Mississippi
5 	158 	Adrian Madise 	WR 	Texas Christian
6 	194 	Aaron Hunt 	-- 	Texas Tech
7 	227 	Clint Mitchell 	DE 	Florida
7 	235 	Ahmaad Galloway 	RB 	Alabama
the only notable player in there was Q albeit a very short, pardon the pun career.. not sure anyone there ever played a meaning full down in regular season for us..
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ashely a great WR ahahahahahaha made some awesome catches but almost always out of bounds or in the end zone.. regular over the middle catches where he could be tackled or hit the dude had alligator arms..

he was a world beater in college, but he never played against a DB that was worth a crap in the WAC.. once he got into the pros all of sudden these guys were as good/fast as he was and it hurt when he got tackled..

I suspect he was living up to his name ashely..

might be decent in todays NFL where the WR can't be touched but back then not so much..

you are correct about foster and TP, infact that whole draft stunk

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1 	20 	George Foster 	T 	Georgia
2 	51 	Terry Pierce 	LB 	Kansas State
4 	108 	Quentin Griffin 	RB 	Oklahoma
4 	114 	Nick Eason 	DT 	Clemson
4 	128 	Bryant McNeal 	DE 	Clemson
5 	157 	Ben Claxton 	C 	Mississippi
5 	158 	Adrian Madise 	WR 	Texas Christian
6 	194 	Aaron Hunt 	-- 	Texas Tech
7 	227 	Clint Mitchell 	DE 	Florida
7 	235 	Ahmaad Galloway 	RB 	Alabama
the only notable player in there was Q albeit a very short, pardon the pun career.. not sure anyone there ever played a meaning full down in regular season for us..
Oh my God what a list of fail. No wonder we sucked Shannys last three years here.
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Oh my God what a list of fail. No wonder we sucked Shannys last three years here.
go look at how bad we were after wilson was drafted..
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1999 - Denver Broncos
RD 	SEL # 	PLAYER 	POSITION 	SCHOOL
1 	31 	Al Wilson 	MLB 	Tennessee
2 	58 	Montae Reagor 	DE 	Texas Tech
2 	61 	Lennie Friedman 	C 	Duke
3 	67 	Chris Watson 	CB 	Eastern Illinois
3 	93 	Travis McGriff 	WR 	Florida
4 	127 	Olandis Gary 	RB 	Georgia
5 	158 	David Bowens 	LB 	Western Illinois
5 	167 	Darwin Brown 	DB 	Texas Tech
6 	179 	Desmond Clark 	TE 	Wake Forest
6 	204 	Chad Plummer 	WR 	Cincinnati
7 	218 	Billy Miller 	WR 	USC
7 	238 	Justin Swift 	TE 	Kansas State

2000 - Denver Broncos
RD 	SEL # 	PLAYER 	POSITION 	SCHOOL
1 	15 	Deltha O'Neal 	CB 	California
2 	40 	Ian Gold 	LB 	Michigan
2 	45 	Kenoy Kennedy 	SAF 	Arkansas
3 	70 	Chris Cole 	WR 	Texas A&M
4 	101 	Jerry Johnson 	DT 	Florida State
4 	112 	Cooper Carlisle 	G 	Florida
5 	154 	Muneer Moore 	WR 	Richmond
6 	189 	Mike Anderson 	RB 	Utah
7 	214 	Jarious Jackson 	QB 	Notre Dame
7 	246 	Leroy Fields 	-- 	Jackson State

2001 - Denver Broncos
RD 	SEL # 	PLAYER 	POSITION 	SCHOOL
1 	24 	Willie Middlebrooks 	CB 	Minnesota
2 	51 	Paul Toviessi 	DE 	Marshall
3 	87 	Reggie Hayward 	DE 	Iowa State
4 	113 	Ben Hamilton 	C 	Minnesota
4 	120 	Nick Harris 	P 	California
6 	190 	Kevin Kasper 	WR 	Iowa

2002 - Denver Broncos
RD 	SEL # 	PLAYER 	POSITION 	SCHOOL
1 	19 	Ashley Lelie 	WR 	Hawaii
2 	51 	Clinton Portis 	RB 	Miami (Fla.)
3 	96 	Dorsett Davis 	DT 	Mississippi State
4 	131 	Sam Brandon 	DB 	Nevada-Las Vegas
5 	144 	Herb Haygood 	WR 	Michigan State
6 	191 	Jeb Putzier 	TE 	Boise State
7 	228 	Chris Young 	DB 	Georgia Tech
7 	231 	Monsanto Pope 	DT 	Virginia

2003 - Denver Broncos
RD 	SEL # 	PLAYER 	POSITION 	SCHOOL
1 	20 	George Foster 	T 	Georgia
2 	51 	Terry Pierce 	LB 	Kansas State
4 	108 	Quentin Griffin 	RB 	Oklahoma
4 	114 	Nick Eason 	DT 	Clemson
4 	128 	Bryant McNeal 	DE 	Clemson
5 	157 	Ben Claxton 	C 	Mississippi
5 	158 	Adrian Madise 	WR 	Texas Christian
6 	194 	Aaron Hunt 	-- 	Texas Tech
7 	227 	Clint Mitchell 	DE 	Florida
7 	235 	Ahmaad Galloway 	RB 	Alabama

2004 - Denver Broncos
RD 	SEL # 	PLAYER 	POSITION 	SCHOOL
1 	17 	D.J. Williams 	OLB 	Miami (Fla.)
2 	41 	Tatum Bell 	RB 	Oklahoma State
2 	54 	Darius Watts 	WR 	Marshall
3 	85 	Jeremy LeSueur 	CB 	Michigan
5 	152 	Jeff Shoate 	CB 	San Diego State
6 	171 	Triandos Luke 	WR 	Alabama
6 	190 	Josh Sewell 	-- 	Nebraska
7 	225 	Matt Mauck 	QB 	Louisiana State
7 	247 	Brandon Miree 	RB 	Pittsburgh
7 	250 	Bradlee Van Pelt 	QB 	Colorado State

2005 - Denver Broncos
RD 	SEL # 	PLAYER 	POSITION 	SCHOOL
2 	56 	Darrent Williams 	CB 	Oklahoma State
3 	76 	Karl Paymah 	DB 	Washington State
3 	97 	Domonique Foxworth 	CB 	Maryland
3 	101 	Maurice Clarett 	-- 	Ohio State
6 	200 	Chris Myers 	G 	Miami (Fla.)
7 	239 	Paul Ernster 	K 	Northern Arizona

2006 - Denver Broncos
RD 	SEL # 	PLAYER 	POSITION 	SCHOOL
1 	11 	Jay Cutler 	QB 	Vanderbilt
2 	61 	Tony Scheffler 	TE 	Western Michigan
4 	119 	Brandon Marshall 	WR 	Central Florida
4 	126 	Elvis Dumervil 	DE 	Louisville
4 	130 	Domenik Hixon 	WR 	Akron
5 	161 	Chris Kuper 	G 	North Dakota
6 	198 	Greg Eslinger 	C 	Minnesota

 LAST BUT not LEAST

2007 - Denver Broncos
RD 	SEL # 	PLAYER 	POSITION 	SCHOOL
1 	17 	Jarvis Moss 	DE 	Florida
2 	56 	Tim Crowder 	DE 	Texas
3 	70 	Ryan Harris 	OT 	Notre Dame
4 	121 	Marcus Thomas 	DT 	Florida

2008 - Denver Broncos
RD 	SEL # 	PLAYER 	POSITION 	SCHOOL
1 	12 	Ryan Clady 	T 	Boise State
2 	42 	Eddie Royal 	WR 	Virginia Tech
4 	108 	Kory Lichtensteiger 	C 	Bowling Green State
4 	119 	Jack Williams 	CB 	Kent State
5 	139 	Ryan Torain 	RB 	Arizona State
5 	148 	Carlton Powell 	DT 	Virginia Tech
6 	183 	Spencer Larsen 	FB 	Arizona
7 	220 	Josh Barrett 	DB 	Arizona State
7 	227 	Peyton Hillis 	RB 	Arkansas
really folks how many real keepers on that list of fail..
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Pete Prisco's midseason NFL All-Pro team


LT -- Ryan Clady, Broncos: He is doing a great job protecting Peyton Manning's blind side. Gets an edge over Houston's Duane Brown.


http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/blog/pe...fl-allpro-team
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go look at how bad we were after wilson was drafted..
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1999 - Denver Broncos
RD 	SEL # 	PLAYER 	POSITION 	SCHOOL
1 	31 	Al Wilson 	MLB 	Tennessee
2 	58 	Montae Reagor 	DE 	Texas Tech
2 	61 	Lennie Friedman 	C 	Duke
3 	67 	Chris Watson 	CB 	Eastern Illinois
3 	93 	Travis McGriff 	WR 	Florida
4 	127 	Olandis Gary 	RB 	Georgia
5 	158 	David Bowens 	LB 	Western Illinois
5 	167 	Darwin Brown 	DB 	Texas Tech
6 	179 	Desmond Clark 	TE 	Wake Forest
6 	204 	Chad Plummer 	WR 	Cincinnati
7 	218 	Billy Miller 	WR 	USC
7 	238 	Justin Swift 	TE 	Kansas State

2000 - Denver Broncos
RD 	SEL # 	PLAYER 	POSITION 	SCHOOL
1 	15 	Deltha O'Neal 	CB 	California
2 	40 	Ian Gold 	LB 	Michigan
2 	45 	Kenoy Kennedy 	SAF 	Arkansas
3 	70 	Chris Cole 	WR 	Texas A&M
4 	101 	Jerry Johnson 	DT 	Florida State
4 	112 	Cooper Carlisle 	G 	Florida
5 	154 	Muneer Moore 	WR 	Richmond
6 	189 	Mike Anderson 	RB 	Utah
7 	214 	Jarious Jackson 	QB 	Notre Dame
7 	246 	Leroy Fields 	-- 	Jackson State

2001 - Denver Broncos
RD 	SEL # 	PLAYER 	POSITION 	SCHOOL
1 	24 	Willie Middlebrooks 	CB 	Minnesota
2 	51 	Paul Toviessi 	DE 	Marshall
3 	87 	Reggie Hayward 	DE 	Iowa State
4 	113 	Ben Hamilton 	C 	Minnesota
4 	120 	Nick Harris 	P 	California
6 	190 	Kevin Kasper 	WR 	Iowa

2002 - Denver Broncos
RD 	SEL # 	PLAYER 	POSITION 	SCHOOL
1 	19 	Ashley Lelie 	WR 	Hawaii
2 	51 	Clinton Portis 	RB 	Miami (Fla.)
3 	96 	Dorsett Davis 	DT 	Mississippi State
4 	131 	Sam Brandon 	DB 	Nevada-Las Vegas
5 	144 	Herb Haygood 	WR 	Michigan State
6 	191 	Jeb Putzier 	TE 	Boise State
7 	228 	Chris Young 	DB 	Georgia Tech
7 	231 	Monsanto Pope 	DT 	Virginia

2003 - Denver Broncos
RD 	SEL # 	PLAYER 	POSITION 	SCHOOL
1 	20 	George Foster 	T 	Georgia
2 	51 	Terry Pierce 	LB 	Kansas State
4 	108 	Quentin Griffin 	RB 	Oklahoma
4 	114 	Nick Eason 	DT 	Clemson
4 	128 	Bryant McNeal 	DE 	Clemson
5 	157 	Ben Claxton 	C 	Mississippi
5 	158 	Adrian Madise 	WR 	Texas Christian
6 	194 	Aaron Hunt 	-- 	Texas Tech
7 	227 	Clint Mitchell 	DE 	Florida
7 	235 	Ahmaad Galloway 	RB 	Alabama

2004 - Denver Broncos
RD 	SEL # 	PLAYER 	POSITION 	SCHOOL
1 	17 	D.J. Williams 	OLB 	Miami (Fla.)
2 	41 	Tatum Bell 	RB 	Oklahoma State
2 	54 	Darius Watts 	WR 	Marshall
3 	85 	Jeremy LeSueur 	CB 	Michigan
5 	152 	Jeff Shoate 	CB 	San Diego State
6 	171 	Triandos Luke 	WR 	Alabama
6 	190 	Josh Sewell 	-- 	Nebraska
7 	225 	Matt Mauck 	QB 	Louisiana State
7 	247 	Brandon Miree 	RB 	Pittsburgh
7 	250 	Bradlee Van Pelt 	QB 	Colorado State

2005 - Denver Broncos
RD 	SEL # 	PLAYER 	POSITION 	SCHOOL
2 	56 	Darrent Williams 	CB 	Oklahoma State
3 	76 	Karl Paymah 	DB 	Washington State
3 	97 	Domonique Foxworth 	CB 	Maryland
3 	101 	Maurice Clarett 	-- 	Ohio State
6 	200 	Chris Myers 	G 	Miami (Fla.)
7 	239 	Paul Ernster 	K 	Northern Arizona

2006 - Denver Broncos
RD 	SEL # 	PLAYER 	POSITION 	SCHOOL
1 	11 	Jay Cutler 	QB 	Vanderbilt
2 	61 	Tony Scheffler 	TE 	Western Michigan
4 	119 	Brandon Marshall 	WR 	Central Florida
4 	126 	Elvis Dumervil 	DE 	Louisville
4 	130 	Domenik Hixon 	WR 	Akron
5 	161 	Chris Kuper 	G 	North Dakota
6 	198 	Greg Eslinger 	C 	Minnesota

 LAST BUT not LEAST

2007 - Denver Broncos
RD 	SEL # 	PLAYER 	POSITION 	SCHOOL
1 	17 	Jarvis Moss 	DE 	Florida
2 	56 	Tim Crowder 	DE 	Texas
3 	70 	Ryan Harris 	OT 	Notre Dame
4 	121 	Marcus Thomas 	DT 	Florida

2008 - Denver Broncos
RD 	SEL # 	PLAYER 	POSITION 	SCHOOL
1 	12 	Ryan Clady 	T 	Boise State
2 	42 	Eddie Royal 	WR 	Virginia Tech
4 	108 	Kory Lichtensteiger 	C 	Bowling Green State
4 	119 	Jack Williams 	CB 	Kent State
5 	139 	Ryan Torain 	RB 	Arizona State
5 	148 	Carlton Powell 	DT 	Virginia Tech
6 	183 	Spencer Larsen 	FB 	Arizona
7 	220 	Josh Barrett 	DB 	Arizona State
7 	227 	Peyton Hillis 	RB 	Arkansas
really folks how many real keepers on that list of fail..
c'mon, 2006 and 2008 drafts were awesome. Whatever happened with Lichtensteiger anyways?
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any draft that you can pick up an all-pro and possibly an all decade/HOF player that wasnt a top ten pick, i say you have a very good draft. Besides, Royal is a good player, and Hillis made the Madden cover.

I think Royal would of blossomed had Shanny stayed with Denver. He made Deangelo Hall look foolish against the Raiders. He ran some incredible routes that game.
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I think Royal would of blossomed had Shanny stayed with Denver. He made Deangelo Hall look foolish against the Raiders. He ran some incredible routes that game.
It was essentially all downhill after that game. Seriously, he peaked around week 10 of that year and has done next to nothing since.....aside from some special teams highlights. He was going to crap before Shanny left.

And McD managed to get career years out of every other Bronco WR when he was here (his only real positive when you think about it), so that doesn't exactly work in Royal's favor either.
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It was essentially all downhill after that game. Seriously, he peaked around week 10 of that year and has done next to nothing since.....aside from some special teams highlights. He was going to crap before Shanny left.

And McD managed to get career years out of every other Bronco WR when he was here (his only real positive when you think about it), so that doesn't exactly work in Royal's favor either.

He hasn't been much help to SD either.
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I don't get it. Did Royal regress or did CB just found a way to cover him? or both. They guy doesn't seem to be the type that is lazy and doesn't work.
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Before Clady got hurt he was by far the best pass blocker in the NFL when on a Sack/per play basis. I saw the dude turn premier rushers like Mario Williams in his prime into paddy cake playing dummies.

Eddie Royal? If they kept the same offense and shanny never got fired, Royal probably would've had spectacular years being thrown at by Cutler. Conversely, if Royal was kept around after Manning arrived, he'd be putting up great numbers as well.

Peyton hilllis was an excellent pickup, baller that also got hurt, unfortunately.

We had excellent drafts in Shanny's last 3 years here.
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It was essentially all downhill after that game. Seriously, he peaked around week 10 of that year and has done next to nothing since.....aside from some special teams highlights. He was going to crap before Shanny left.

And McD managed to get career years out of every other Bronco WR when he was here (his only real positive when you think about it), so that doesn't exactly work in Royal's favor either.
Not every receiver is meant to be run around on crossing routes getting 2 yard gains at a time.

Royal had excellent man beating skills, he would be incredible if he played for Manning's offense today.
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Not every receiver is meant to be run around on crossing routes getting 2 yard gains at a time.

Royal had excellent man beating skills, he would be incredible if he played for Manning's offense today.
Maybe, maybe not. That's a different argument than the one I was responding to above, which specifically talked about Shanny and Cutler staying. He was regressing long before Shanny and Cutler left, so I just don't see how he'd be lighting up the league if they were both still here.

DBs figured him out halfway through his rookie year. He never made the necessary adjustments to what they were doing to him from then on. didn't matter if it was Cutler or Orton throwing the ball and Shanny or McD calling the plays. He played in some very WR-friendly offenses, was the only one who seemed to struggle and never made the necessary adjustments. That's just how I see it.
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Really? Jarvis Moss, Tim Crowder, Ryan Harris and Marcus Thomas were "excellent"

That was one of the worst drafts in Broncos recent history, especially when you consider Shanny traded up twice.

And his last draft, outside of Clady, was a failure. If the front office really thought Royal was worth something they would have kept him. He isn't. That leaves Hillis. Definitely a value pick, even if he doesn't do anything ever again, still more of a return for what you get on a 7th round pick. However every other pick is completely out of football.

2006: A+
2007: F+
2008: C-

Those aren't "excellent"
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Old 11-07-2012, 01:25 PM   #171
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Really? Jarvis Moss, Tim Crowder, Ryan Harris and Marcus Thomas were "excellent"

That was one of the worst drafts in Broncos recent history, especially when you consider Shanny traded up twice.

And his last draft, outside of Clady, was a failure. If the front office really thought Royal was worth something they would have kept him. He isn't. That leaves Hillis. Definitely a value pick, even if he doesn't do anything ever again, still more of a return for what you get on a 7th round pick. However every other pick is completely out of football.

2006: A+
2007: F+
2008: C-

Those aren't "excellent"
c'mon, Ryan Harris pick wasn't bad. The guy was a stud at RT only to see him have injury woes. You can't say it was a bad draft pick because the guy was a probowl player then dropped off because of injury. Marcus Thomas was a 4th rounder that stayed on the team for 5 seasons. I admit Moss and Crowder were bad picks. F+ is going to far. D+ is better. Anyways, outside the top 10 picks, that was a bad draft class with the exception of Staley and Beason.

2008, if they had a redraft knowing what they know today, Matt Ryan would be the 1st and Clady being the second. That by itself raised the Grade to B. Not only that, all the players in that draft are still in the NFL except for Jack Williams. I say B+
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Old 11-07-2012, 11:36 PM   #172
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c'mon, Ryan Harris pick wasn't bad. The guy was a stud at RT only to see him have injury woes. You can't say it was a bad draft pick because the guy was a probowl player then dropped off because of injury. Marcus Thomas was a 4th rounder that stayed on the team for 5 seasons. I admit Moss and Crowder were bad picks. F+ is going to far. D+ is better. Anyways, outside the top 10 picks, that was a bad draft class with the exception of Staley and Beason.

2008, if they had a redraft knowing what they know today, Matt Ryan would be the 1st and Clady being the second. That by itself raised the Grade to B. Not only that, all the players in that draft are still in the NFL except for Jack Williams. I say B+
I could never figure out Crowder. He had five sacks his rookie year and looked really good. I remember he scored a TD against Pittsburgh. And then he was just cut and went to Tampa Bay. There must have been a story behind that.
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Before Clady got hurt he was by far the best pass blocker in the NFL when on a Sack/per play basis. I saw the dude turn premier rushers like Mario Williams in his prime into paddy cake playing dummies.

He was the 12 pick of the draft you expect him to be a stud LT

Eddie Royal? If they kept the same offense and shanny never got fired, Royal probably would've had spectacular years being thrown at by Cutler. Conversely, if Royal was kept around after Manning arrived, he'd be putting up great numbers as well.

If, If, If There was nothing special about Royal except he had a great rookie season then nothing

Peyton hilllis was an excellent pickup, baller that also got hurt, unfortunately.

Hillis had what, 6 good game and then stupid set in.

We had excellent drafts in Shanny's last 3 years here.
This was not a great draft.

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c'mon, 2006 and 2008 drafts were awesome. Whatever happened with Lichtensteiger anyways?
the 2006 DAFT class was full of head cases..

cutler until this year when he has to act like a human because of his girlfriend has been an ahole to his team mates, media and fans.. BTW his 84.6 QBR has pretty much been constant from day one.. 94 picks to 129 TDs not a good ratio at all..

BM the only guy in the NFL that had his own Permanent visitor pass for the NFL offices.. got kicked off of two different teams because he was a diva and his team mates wanted nothing to do with him..

TS a guy that has started 38 games in his 104 game career.. a lousy blocker and a whooping 21 TDs in those 104 games.

Doom now here is a player still not playing the run as well as he could be... Not worth the money he is making but still one of our best.. but as a 4th rounder he was not thought highly of by 32 other teams a total surprise for them all..


Hixon looking to be a good player for the Giants.. to bad someone in Broncos FO was stupid enough to allow him to leave. Not like we were overloaded with talent there..

Kuper another good choice but then in the 5th round a good find

SO we really got two players out of the 7 that were worth keeping..
IMO not close to being a GREAT draft, for that matter not even a good one.. good draft.. one full time starter ORG and a part time DE who is substituted out on running plays..


But I'm sure those that have been sucking on cutlets sac for year will disagree..

as for 2008 one starter out of nine picks.. not great either..
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c'mon, Ryan Harris pick wasn't bad. The guy was a stud at RT only to see him have injury woes. You can't say it was a bad draft pick because the guy was a probowl player then dropped off because of injury. Marcus Thomas was a 4th rounder that stayed on the team for 5 seasons. I admit Moss and Crowder were bad picks. F+ is going to far. D+ is better. Anyways, outside the top 10 picks, that was a bad draft class with the exception of Staley and Beason.

2008, if they had a redraft knowing what they know today, Matt Ryan would be the 1st and Clady being the second. That by itself raised the Grade to B. Not only that, all the players in that draft are still in the NFL except for Jack Williams. I say B+
Yep Harris was a stud being rag dolled by good or better DE in pass rushes..
that guy that started but not always finished in the 42% of the games he could have played in in his career..

they knew he had back problems before he was drafted.. stupid Pick IMO.. as for the others.. ahahahahahahahaha
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