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Old 03-20-2018, 12:18 PM   #26
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What a hack. Facebook was still battling Myspace for social supremacy in 2008. None of this stuff was really even possible in 2008. But was in 2012... and everyone, including the Obama campaign, was doing so....

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Facebook last week suspended the Trump campaign’s data consultant, Cambridge Analytica, for scraping the data of potentially millions of users without their consent. But thousands of other developers, including the makers of games such as FarmVille and the dating app Tinder, as well as political consultants from President Barack Obama’s 2012 presidential campaign, also siphoned huge amounts of data about users and their friends, developing deep understandings of people’s relationships and preferences.
So funny to watch big brother's biggest fans suddenly flee in terror the second they fear big brother's no longer on their team.
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They solicited the data from Facebook, who gave it willingly.

Enough with the spam spin.
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L0L @ the tRump smoochers scurrying to deflect and create the usual "whataboutisms" and false equivalences.

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Cambridge Analytica was built to destroy democracy...by any means necessary.

The name suggests erudite research, but in just the last few days the story of Cambridge Analytica has expanded to include stolen data, bribery, blackmail, sex workers—and violations of laws around the globe. CA was a primary tool of the Trump campaign, and the public is only beginning to see what made them so important.

Cambridge Analytica was founded in 2013 by conservative hedge-fund billionaire Robert Mercer and his daughter Rebekah. They spun the company off from its British parent, SCL Group, expressly for the purposes of impacting American politics. At the head of this play was Steve Bannon. The Mercers were already the money behind Breitbart News, and Bannon convinced them that the way to shift America was not by just backing conservative candidates, but by planting stories and ads that shifted the culture. To do this, Bannon hired Canadian data analysis expert Christopher Wylie to combine the tools of military disinformation campaigns, with the power provided by social media, big data and targeted advertising tools. Together they built what Wylie called Bannon’s “psychological warfare mind**** tool”—a device designed to tear open America along racial, gender and social boundaries, so that Bannon could take advantage of the discord.

Well before Donald Trump was a candidate, Cambridge Analytica was already learning to pry open those cracks, but it was short of one thing—the data it needed to target the most critical, most easily persuadable voters. Ordinarily, collecting that data would take extensive polling, purchasing existing databases and mailing lists, and a good deal of time—all the things that Bannon didn’t want. So instead Cambridge obtained data scraped from the profile pages of over 50 million Facebook users, brought it into their database, and made it the heart of their ability to find people who would help spread divisive memes.

Cambridge Analytica claims that its massive database enabled what it calls “psychographic targeting”—a system that generates a personality profile for every American in the database, then determines just how to hit that person to get them to buy … whatever CA is selling.

During the campaign, Trump’s digital director Brad Parscale claimed that they didn’t use the company’s psychographic weaponry or its database … but first three, and then thirteen employees of Cambridge Analytica moved directly into Parscale’s San Antonio office. By measuring the response to message that CA sent out, Trump not only shaped his message, but even altered his travel schedule to target those places where anti-immigrant or anti-Hillary stories got the best response.

That Cambridge Analytica employed stolen data, sex workers, bribery, threats and blackmail to get the desired results is almost incidental when you consider that the purpose of the company is to bring down western democracy.

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Worldwide, democracy is under attack. From polling figures in the USA, it seems that a great many of the young people in this country (and Europe) are pretty much "Ho hum" about the whole thing. They have no concept of totalitarianism, haven't really seen it, and see their own governments as dysfunctional anyway. The constant blasting of their democratic governments (primarily through internet sites run by "whom?") has chipped away at any confidence they might have had in their democratic institutions. As long as they get their toys, they're cool with it. God knows what their education in their own country's history consists of. They may think, "Anything is better than this" given that, of course, they only get a one-sided argument. Propaganda works.

Is there a counter argument for why democracy is better? Why not a strong man government? Face it, the Republican Party is showing it's followers that it no longer gives a damn about constitutional process and is dedicated to single party rule. It's become a zero-sum game: We win everything. You lose everything. Meanwhile, corporate oligarchs pretty much control the legislative branch (creating, through their control of tax laws and deregulation the worse income inequality in history), which adds to the feeling of political powerlessness. Why have faith in any of it? No doubt that feeling of powerlessness greatly contributed to the rise of a man like Trump.

George Washington once said that the fundamental basis of our republican form of government is "accommodation." Conflicting factions must realize that they are not going to control everything all the time. Opposing viewpoints might sway the people to go in another direction. This was the point he proved when he stepped down from the presidency and allowed John Adams to take over. It is not for one man, or one faction, to control. Once Mitch McConnell decided that his faction's political power allowed him to tell a president that he could not fulfill his constitutional duty to place a justice on the highest court, this was the signal to the nation that "accommodation" was dead. This dysfunction and erosion of faith opened the door for a man like Putin who made his bones in East Berlin infiltrating and eroding democratic institutions in the West through manipulation and propaganda, using the freedoms of democratic states against them.

Putin is doing all he can in order to erode the West's faith in its democratic institutions in order to first, take down NATO, which will then allow him to send Russian tanks into Ukraine, the Baltic states, and anywhere else he feels that Gorbachev allowed to, in his eyes, "illegitimately" secede from Russian control. Trump is a tool that the Russian KGB (now FSB) has been cultivating for decades. And now, the new dictator of China has announced that anybody who believes in the concept of "separatism" in Taiwan will eventually suffer the consequences of that belief. This is what happens when the West, and democracy, begins to fail and dictators smell the presence of a vacuum of power.

The fools who elected Trump have set up the banquet for totalitarians to feast on, attacking the very liberal foundation their house is built upon. But Trump is also a product - Of a failure of education combined with the rise of a hyper-critical media atmosphere where the population has no idea what is real and what is not. Overcome by the noise of demagogues and agitators mixed in with the voices of foreign trolls with their own agendas. Who knows what to believe? The funny part of the whole thing is that the Trump supporters have absolutely no clue what they have done. They actually think they did the right thing. They think they are attacking the liberal elites and Democratic Party snobs, when they are actually attacking the institutions and foundations and traditions of their own democracy.

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I recently read a great book called, "The Hidden Life of Trees." I learned that a great oak, ancient in years, might suffer the smallest injury to it's bark; A late spring snowfall causes a branch to break off. A branch falling from a nearby tree might break off a small piece of it's bark A woodpecker drills a hole the tree can't mend quickly enough (perhaps it is weakened by drought, or whatever?). And then the fungi, which are always present, find an opening. They invade the cambium layer of the tree and start to work away toward its heart. Their invasion softens the wood enough for various beetles and other insects to invade, laying eggs whose hatching larva start consuming the softened material. You might not even notice the damage. For years, hollowed out, it will stand, desperately trying to feed its crown through whatever remains of its fundamental architecture. We now know that maybe even neighboring trees (it's own mother tree) might try to help feed it through their roots. The tree might stand for decades yet, but it is doomed.

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They solicited the data from Facebook, who gave it willingly.

Enough with the spam spin.
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What a hack. Facebook was still battling Myspace for social supremacy in 2008. None of this stuff was really even possible in 2008. But was in 2012... and everyone, including the Obama campaign, was doing so....

https://www.washingtonpost.com/busin...=.ea263df69443



So funny to watch big brother's biggest fans suddenly flee in terror the second they fear big brother's no longer on their team.
Cambridge Analytica Uncovered: Secret filming reveals election tricks



An undercover investigation by Channel 4 News reveals how Cambridge Analytica secretly campaigns in elections across the world. Bosses were filmed talking about using bribes, ex-spies, fake IDs and sex workers.
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An undercover investigation by Channel 4 News reveals how Cambridge Analytica secretly campaigns in elections across the world. Bosses were filmed talking about using bribes, ex-spies, fake IDs and sex workers.
Like I said, they could very well be involved in some pretty extraordinarily sleazy stuff. But Facebook targeted ads is just the world you live in.

The very one that was celebrated when leveraged by the last popular Democratic incumbent.
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Like I said, they could very well be involved in some pretty extraordinarily sleazy stuff. But Facebook targeted ads is just the world you live in.

The very one that was celebrated when leveraged by the last popular Democratic incumbent.
The level of hypocrisy concerning this is hysterical.

Hypocrites gonna hypocrite I guess.

Personally I'm against all this invasion of privacy regardless who's doing it.
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Like I said, they could very well be involved in some pretty extraordinarily sleazy stuff. But Facebook targeted ads is just the world you live in.

The very one that was celebrated when leveraged by the last popular Democratic incumbent.
Lets not forget...Hillarys data was left open and Bernies people got into it. Hillary had her DNC punish Bernie over it.
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The level of hypocrisy concerning this is hysterical.

Hypocrites gonna hypocrite I guess.

Personally I'm against all this invasion of privacy regardless who's doing it.
Yes, we need modern data rights legislation.

Data is intellectual property. We need to start structuring our legal framework to protect individuals from corporate and government exploitation.

Not regulations, but individual rights protections.
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If President Donald Trump taps John Bolton as his next national security adviser, the former U.N. ambassador will be forced to reckon with the fate of his political empire, which includes a super PAC that has spent heavily on the services of embattled voter profiling company Cambridge Analytica.

Bolton’s super PAC has paid Cambridge Analytica more than $1.1 million since 2014 for “research” and “survey research,” a Center for Public Integrity analysis of campaign finance filings shows.

So far during the 2018 election season, Bolton has announced his super PAC will spend $1 million boosting Republican Senate candidate Kevin Nicholson in Wisconsin. Nicholson is challenging incumbent Sen. Tammy Baldwin, a Democrat.

Bolton’s super PAC spent roughly $2.5 million during the 2016 election cycle to support the bids of Republican U.S. Senate candidates, according to Federal Election Commission filings. The press release announcing support for Nicholson said that “Ambassador Bolton looks to increase those contributions for the 2018 midterm elections.”

Bolton — eyed to replace Army Lt. Gen. H.R. McMaster as national security adviser should McMaster step down or be fired — would be the latest in a string of Trump administration insiders with strong links to big-spending, conservative political groups largely funded by an elite group of megadonors. It’s a list that includes Kellyanne Conway, a counselor to the president; White House Director of Legislative Affairs Marc Short; and Nick Ayers, the vice president’s chief of staff.

Bolton, who visited the White House last week, would also be the latest Trump official with ties to GOP megadonor Robert Mercer, a key supporter of Trump’s presidential bid and investor in Cambridge Analytica who is also the largest donor to Bolton’s super PAC.

“All of this makes clear that the Supreme Court was wrong in Citizens United when it unleashed big money in our elections with the promise it would be independent of candidates and office holders,” said Paul Ryan, vice president for policy and litigation at the nonprofit watchdog group Common Cause.

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If President Donald Trump taps John Bolton as his next national security adviser, the former U.N. ambassador will be forced to reckon with the fate of his political empire, which includes a super PAC that has spent heavily on the services of embattled voter profiling company Cambridge Analytica.

Bolton’s super PAC has paid Cambridge Analytica more than $1.1 million since 2014 for “research” and “survey research,” a Center for Public Integrity analysis of campaign finance filings shows.

So far during the 2018 election season, Bolton has announced his super PAC will spend $1 million boosting Republican Senate candidate Kevin Nicholson in Wisconsin. Nicholson is challenging incumbent Sen. Tammy Baldwin, a Democrat.

Bolton’s super PAC spent roughly $2.5 million during the 2016 election cycle to support the bids of Republican U.S. Senate candidates, according to Federal Election Commission filings. The press release announcing support for Nicholson said that “Ambassador Bolton looks to increase those contributions for the 2018 midterm elections.”

Bolton — eyed to replace Army Lt. Gen. H.R. McMaster as national security adviser should McMaster step down or be fired — would be the latest in a string of Trump administration insiders with strong links to big-spending, conservative political groups largely funded by an elite group of megadonors. It’s a list that includes Kellyanne Conway, a counselor to the president; White House Director of Legislative Affairs Marc Short; and Nick Ayers, the vice president’s chief of staff.

Bolton, who visited the White House last week, would also be the latest Trump official with ties to GOP megadonor Robert Mercer, a key supporter of Trump’s presidential bid and investor in Cambridge Analytica who is also the largest donor to Bolton’s super PAC.

“All of this makes clear that the Supreme Court was wrong in Citizens United when it unleashed big money in our elections with the promise it would be independent of candidates and office holders,” said Paul Ryan, vice president for policy and litigation at the nonprofit watchdog group Common Cause.

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You read slate and complain about Fox News?

Do you ever wonder if you're the only one who doesn't see your hypocrisy?
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You read slate and complain about Fox News?

Do you ever wonder if you're the only one who doesn't see your hypocrisy?
I suppose you could always gather up all the journalism awards Slate has won and put them up against your favorite site, Breitbart. Let us know how that turns out for you.
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Didn't Slate win a Pulitzer for journalism last year? Or was that the year before?
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Didn't Slate win a Pulitzer for journalism last year? Or was that the year before?
You're living in the past.

Pulitzers are only meaningful to extreme leftists. Its like a pat on the back by the likeminded for pushing a common agenda.
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You're living in the past.

Pulitzers are only meaningful to extreme leftists. Its like a pat on the back by the likeminded for pushing a common agenda.
I'd love to see your definition of an extreme leftist.
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I'd love to see your definition of an extreme leftist.
Rachel Maddow.

Ezra Klein.

Katrina Vandenhuevel.

Charles Blow.

Paul Krugman.

Etc.
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Rachel Maddow.

Ezra Klein.

Katrina Vandenhuevel.

Charles Blow.

Paul Krugman.

Etc.
Nope. Those are just liberals.
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Nope. Those are just liberals.
I wouldn't call them liberals at all.

Why would you call them liberals?
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I wouldn't call them liberals at all.

Why would you call them liberals?
Let me help you out. An extreme leftist is somebody like Leon Trotsky or Chairman Mao. The people who believe in the political policies of FDR and even Eisenhower (contrary to modern alt-right propaganda) are not commies. They are liberals.
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Let me help you out. An extreme leftist is somebody like Leon Trotsky or Chairman Mao. The people who believe in the political policies of FDR and even Eisenhower (contrary to modern alt-right propaganda) are not commies. They are liberals.
Yack.

You dont have to kill millions to be an extreme leftist. Im not sure you want them on your scale at all.
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Let me help you out. An extreme leftist is somebody like Leon Trotsky or Chairman Mao. The people who believe in the political policies of FDR and even Eisenhower (contrary to modern alt-right propaganda) are not commies. They are liberals.
Like most of Donny's Kids, moRon's political compass is skewed to the far right insofar as he has no recollection of life in America prior to the Reagan Revolution.
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The level of hypocrisy concerning this is hysterical.
Only in the minds of those slow kids who fail to see the difference, viz., that CA violated laws.
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Trump Campaign Data Firm Caught on Camera Discussing Bribery and Extortion


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The Dems did the same thing and the left lauded the Obama campaign for it.

If you gals want credibility on this issue, you have to condemn both parties for it.

Otherwise its just another partisan idiotfest spamathon.
Ron is actually correct here guys. No one paid much attention when similar things were done by Obama in 2012.
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