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Old 05-07-2014, 01:31 PM   #51
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It's hilarious to me. The neocons come in with Raygun and completely dismantle a hundred years of progressive government in a matter of a few years and then when the country goes in the ****ter, they blame the progressives.

*Note: Clinton was neither a Democrat, a progressive, or even a liberal. In fact, he had much more in common with the neocons. So does Obama.
Who was the last truly great Progressive President. Carter? Heh. Good luck. **** was going downhill fast long before Reagan took office.

The roots of our problems run global. Anyone who believes it's something solved with the waive of any blue or red political pen is freebasing the kool aid. The best we can hope for is a government who understands this and focuses on (intelligently) getting out of the way as much as possible.
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Old 05-07-2014, 02:13 PM   #52
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Regardless Obama said things would be much better by now if his policies went into effect. He got his auto bailout, got his stimulus, got his healthcare, and invested in green energy while thwarting things like Keystone.

Look what it got us. I agree he didn't create all our problems but he isn't making things better, he's making them worst.

When Obama done Dems will have had the White House 16 of the last 24 yrs. We are sick of hearing you never get your chance.
Who is your political savor, just curious
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Old 05-07-2014, 02:17 PM   #53
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Who was the last truly great Progressive President. Carter? Heh. Good luck. **** was going downhill fast long before Reagan took office.

The roots of our problems run global. Anyone who believes it's something solved with the waive of any blue or red political pen is freebasing the kool aid. The best we can hope for is a government who understands this and focuses on (intelligently) getting out of the way as much as possible.
Reagan, the guy that took the USA from the greatest creditor nation to the greatest debtor nation in the world for 8 years of fake, credit based prosperity.
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Old 05-07-2014, 02:30 PM   #54
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Reagan, the guy that took the USA from the greatest creditor nation to the greatest debtor nation in the world for 8 years of fake, credit based prosperity.
Then why hasnt that same approach worked for the last two administrations?
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Reagan, the guy that took the USA from the greatest creditor nation to the greatest debtor nation in the world for 8 years of fake, credit based prosperity.
Again, anyone who believes Presidents have that kind of power is kidding themselves.
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Old 05-07-2014, 02:42 PM   #56
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Again, anyone who believes Presidents have that kind of power is kidding themselves.
But isn't Obama responsible for the state of the economy and joblessness?
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Then why hasnt that same approach worked for the last two administrations?
Going from the greatest creditor nation in the world to the greatest debtor nation in the world is a one time opportunity
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Again, anyone who believes Presidents have that kind of power is kidding themselves.
Nixon took the US off the gold standard opening the door for the banksters to print money at will. I'd say that is pretty powerful. It's abut to change your life and my life dramatically when those inflated fiat dollars come home to roost
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Going from the greatest creditor nation in the world to the greatest debtor nation in the world is a one time opportunity
We have been increasing that debt that last 13 years but I don't see the growth like we saw after Carter.
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We have been increasing that debt that last 13 years but I don't see the growth like we saw after Carter.
What do you think it means to go from the greatest creditor nation.

To lose that status you must sell off one shiit load of assets to foreign entities .
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Nixon took the US off the gold standard opening the door for the banksters to print money at will. I'd say that is pretty powerful. It's abut to change your life and my life dramatically when those inflated fiat dollars come home to roost
It was a trend that was a long time in the making, back to the dawn of the progressive era, even. It was inevitable in the long run.

One, because indexing your currency to a single commodity is kinda dumb, and two, because like you say, it handcuffs central banks more than interventioneers like.

Regardless, in this particular case, you're conflating causes and effects. If our industrial superpower status had been maintained all these years, setting the gold standard aside would've likely been unnecessary. Even though it would've probably made sense to replace it with a more rational index at some point anyway.
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Prices went vertical starting in 1971.



The dollar needs to be tied down to something to survive long term. If they can take us off the gold standard and put us back on, then they can take us off again. The faith in USD will never be as good as gold again. It's only as good as the politicians that run the show. Technology will present us with a better alternative someday.
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Old 05-07-2014, 08:52 PM   #63
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Only one govt job lost due to sequester. where's those hundreds of thousands of jobs would be lost that Obama cried about? Where the over 1 million jobs that b**** Reid lied about??

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/...e-government-/
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Your post was pretty good until this part. Why some of you continue to blame the current administation, and "socialists/progressives/liberals" in general, for this economic mess when this is something that started a long time ago, and not something that's going to be fixed any time soon. If you think a GOP majority and a GOP POTUS is going to fix this problem in the forseeable future then you're clearly swimming in too deep of water without the requisite skills to keep yourself afloat.
Establishment R's also love inflationary spending on Defense to keep the economy moving, but it's nowhere near the domestic social and economic devastation created by the policies of the far left Socialist Progressives.

Both need to go.
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Establishment R's also love inflationary spending on Defense to keep the economy moving, but it's nowhere near the domestic social and economic devastation created by the policies of the far left Socialist Progressives.

Both need to go.
Many republicans have been satisfied just to keep their jobs and keep the status quo. Many democrats still believe in spending on failed social programs that keep the dependent dependent and without jobs or pride.
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Old 05-10-2014, 07:53 PM   #66
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Inflation is happening. I talk to the manager at the Farmer's Exchange every week. Last week, he said the prices on his shipments are going up weekly. Feed, seed, supplies are all going up faster than usual. This means the rest of us will be affected by it soon.
Beer and gas also went up.
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