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Old 01-31-2013, 02:11 PM   #51
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lol sure kiddo.

That assload of high draft picks and nearly all of them are rotational, special teams, or roster filler.

Meanwhile the majority of the REAL contributors and heavy lifting members of the team are still holdovers from the Shanahan era, a half decade later... not even including the guys McDaniels shipped away.
McD needed to bring some depth to the team that was sorely lacking from the Shanny era. So while not all of his picks were home runs, I'd say McD's drafts were better than Shanahan's 2005, 2007, 2008 drafts.

Btw, The guys shipped away during the McD era were not winners or team players. Cutler and Marshall still haven't grown up from their younger days. Sad.
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McD needed to bring some depth to the team that was sorely lacking from the Shanny era. So while not all of his picks were home runs, I'd say McD's drafts were better than Shanahan's 2005, 2007, 2008 drafts.

Btw, The guys shipped away during the McD era were not winners or team players. Cutler and Marshall still haven't grown up from their younger days. Sad.
Quite literally ALL conjecture. Your "improvement in depth" argument is completely false.

We've had possibly the worst OL depth in the league since 2008, the secondary depth was absolutely atrocious, the only decent LB depth was inherited, the entire DL was atrocious, and there's no way to even claim with a straight face that Moreno, a 32 year old Buckhalter and Lance Ball are even close in depth to any Shanahan RB stable ever... well, lol

So again, you're making wildly false claims without ANY supporting examples, while I'm the one providing all of the actual facts.
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Old 01-31-2013, 02:48 PM   #53
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Good for Xanders, It'd be cool if Detroit was better.
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Quite literally ALL conjecture. Your "improvement in depth" argument is completely false.

We've had possibly the worst OL depth in the league since 2008, the secondary depth was absolutely atrocious, the only decent LB depth was inherited, the entire DL was atrocious, and there's no way to even claim with a straight face that Moreno, a 32 year old Buckhalter and Lance Ball are even close in depth to any Shanahan RB stable ever... well, lol

So again, you're making wildly false claims without ANY supporting examples, while I'm the one providing all of the actual facts.
Fine, I will lay it out for you.

2005 Draft

2 24(56) Darrent Williams CB Oklahoma St.
3 12(76) Karl Paymah CB Wash. St.
3 34(97) Domonique Foxworth CB Maryland
3 38(101) Maurice Clarett HB Ohio St.
6 26(200) Chris Myers OG Miami (FL)
7 25(239) Paul Ernster PK N. Arizona

None are on the team, one of the worst drafts of the Shanny era but was evened out by the great 2006 class.

2007 Draft

1 17 (17) Jarvis Moss DE Florida
2 24 (56) Tim Crowder DE Texas
3 6 (70) Ryan Harris T Notre Dame
4 22 (121) Marcus Thomas DT Florida

None are on the team


2008 Draft

1 12 (12) Ryan Clady T Boise State
2 11 (42) Eddie Royal WR Virginia Tech
4 9 (108) Kory Lichtensteiger C Bowling Green
4 20 (119) Jack Williams CB Kent State
5 4 (139) Ryan Torain RB Arizona State
5 13 (148) Carlton Powell DT Virginia Tech
6 17 (183) Spencer Larsen OLB Arizona
7 13 (220) Josh Barrett S Arizona State
7 20 (227) Player Video Peyton Hillis FB Arkansas


Only Ryan Clady is on the team.

2009 Draft

1 12 Knowshon Moreno Running Back Georgia
1 18 Robert Ayers Defensive End Tennessee
2 37 Alphonso Smith Cornerback Wake Forest
2 48 Darcel McBath Defensive Back Texas Tech
2 64 Richard Quinn Tight End North Carolina
4 114 David Bruton Defensive Back Notre Dame
4 132 Seth Olsen Guard Iowa
5 141 Kenny McKinley Wide Receiver South Carolina
6 174 Tom Brandstater Quarterback Fresno State
7 225 Blake Schlueter Center Texas Christian

Moreno, Ayers are contributing members of the team.

2009 Draft

WR Demaryius Thomas (1st Round, 22nd overall)
QB Tim Tebow (1st Round, 25th overall)
OL Zane Beadles – (2nd Round, 45th overall)
C J.D. Walton – (3rd Round, 80th overall)
WR Eric Decker – (3rd Round, 87th overall) (from Philadelphia)
CB Perrish Cox – (5th Round, 137th overall) (from Philadelphia via Cleveland)
C Eric Olsen – (6th Round, 183rd overall)
CB Syd’quan Thompson - (7th, 225th overall)
DE/OLB Jammie Kirlew – (7th, 232rd overall)

Beadles, Thomas, Walton, Decker are all contributing players to the team.


In just two years, McD's drafted netted some solid picks, not all are home runs. Moreno, Ayers, Beadles, Thomas, Walton, and Decker are key parts of his class and his drafting is directly responsible for the most recent playoff win.

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We've had possibly the worst OL depth in the league since 2008, the secondary depth was absolutely atrocious, the only decent LB depth was inherited, the entire DL was atrocious, and there's no way to even claim with a straight face that Moreno, a 32 year old Buckhalter and Lance Ball are even close in depth to any Shanahan RB stable ever... well, lol
In 2008, we had Pittman, Selvin Young, Tatum Bell, PJ Pope, Andre Hall and Ryan Torain. In short, McD was left with garbage at RB position. Year before that, it wasn't much better either. The team was sliding in rushing and the OL was clearly on the decline.

Rushing Offense
2005 2nd
2006 8th
2007 9th
2008 12th

The whole team was basically on decline when you look at the numbers across the board.
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Old 01-31-2013, 03:44 PM   #55
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Re-read your congratulatory post towards McD/X for assembling so many "contributors" to back to back AFCW titles you dumb pile of ****.
Go give your boyfriends some BJ's, you'll feel better with a full stomach.
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I refuse to give Xanders for any blame during McD years. After all it was McD's idea to have a 30 player board.
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Fine, I will lay it out for you.

2005 Draft

2 24(56) Darrent Williams CB Oklahoma St.
3 12(76) Karl Paymah CB Wash. St.
3 34(97) Domonique Foxworth CB Maryland
3 38(101) Maurice Clarett HB Ohio St.
6 26(200) Chris Myers OG Miami (FL)
7 25(239) Paul Ernster PK N. Arizona

None are on the team, one of the worst drafts of the Shanny era but was evened out by the great 2006 class.

2007 Draft

1 17 (17) Jarvis Moss DE Florida
2 24 (56) Tim Crowder DE Texas
3 6 (70) Ryan Harris T Notre Dame
4 22 (121) Marcus Thomas DT Florida

None are on the team


2008 Draft

1 12 (12) Ryan Clady T Boise State
2 11 (42) Eddie Royal WR Virginia Tech
4 9 (108) Kory Lichtensteiger C Bowling Green
4 20 (119) Jack Williams CB Kent State
5 4 (139) Ryan Torain RB Arizona State
5 13 (148) Carlton Powell DT Virginia Tech
6 17 (183) Spencer Larsen OLB Arizona
7 13 (220) Josh Barrett S Arizona State
7 20 (227) Player Video Peyton Hillis FB Arkansas


Only Ryan Clady is on the team.

2009 Draft

1 12 Knowshon Moreno Running Back Georgia
1 18 Robert Ayers Defensive End Tennessee
2 37 Alphonso Smith Cornerback Wake Forest
2 48 Darcel McBath Defensive Back Texas Tech
2 64 Richard Quinn Tight End North Carolina
4 114 David Bruton Defensive Back Notre Dame
4 132 Seth Olsen Guard Iowa
5 141 Kenny McKinley Wide Receiver South Carolina
6 174 Tom Brandstater Quarterback Fresno State
7 225 Blake Schlueter Center Texas Christian

Moreno, Ayers are contributing members of the team.

2009 Draft

WR Demaryius Thomas (1st Round, 22nd overall)
QB Tim Tebow (1st Round, 25th overall)
OL Zane Beadles – (2nd Round, 45th overall)
C J.D. Walton – (3rd Round, 80th overall)
WR Eric Decker – (3rd Round, 87th overall) (from Philadelphia)
CB Perrish Cox – (5th Round, 137th overall) (from Philadelphia via Cleveland)
C Eric Olsen – (6th Round, 183rd overall)
CB Syd’quan Thompson - (7th, 225th overall)
DE/OLB Jammie Kirlew – (7th, 232rd overall)

Beadles, Thomas, Walton, Decker are all contributing players to the team.


In just two years, McD's drafted netted some solid picks, not all are home runs. Moreno, Ayers, Beadles, Thomas, Walton, and Decker are key parts of his class and his drafting is directly responsible for the most recent playoff win.



In 2008, we had Pittman, Selvin Young, Tatum Bell, PJ Pope, Andre Hall and Ryan Torain. In short, McD was left with garbage at RB position. Year before that, it wasn't much better either. The team was sliding in rushing and the OL was clearly on the decline.

Rushing Offense
2005 2nd
2006 8th
2007 9th
2008 12th

The whole team was basically on decline when you look at the numbers across the board.
I can't take any of this post seriously, and I sincerely doubt that you can when you're honest with yourself. Are you really trying to make "still on the team" a deciding factor AFTER you cherry pick which seasons to contrast?

It clearly penalizes older classes... especially when you decide to leap frog a season to attempt to make some non-existent point and you're using samples the better part of a decade old!

For ****s sake man, EVERY ONE OF MCDANIELS SELECTIONS ARE STILL ON THEIR FIRST CONTRACT.

Obviously that has a massive advantage on same team retention, not to mention being 2 regimes removed from the current as opposed to 1.

This is mind-numbingly stupid to read and you know it is.
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