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Old 11-19-2013, 09:05 AM   #376
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Need to lock up DRC and Harris and we'll be set at CB for a few years with Webster and those two. We have hardly even missed a step without Champ. Thats something that never could have happened before this year.
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Old 11-19-2013, 03:44 PM   #377
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Need to lock up DRC and Harris and we'll be set at CB for a few years with Webster and those two. We have hardly even missed a step without Champ.
We've definitely missed a step without him ... last year averaged 199 passing yards allowed per game, 3rd best in the league. This year it's 280 per game, 5th worst. But you're probably right, in that the pass rush is the bigger culprit.

I agree with signing Harris JR and DRC PDQ.
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Old 11-19-2013, 04:44 PM   #378
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We've definitely missed a step without him ... last year averaged 199 passing yards allowed per game, 3rd best in the league. This year it's 280 per game, 5th worst. But you're probably right, in that the pass rush is the bigger culprit.

I agree with signing Harris JR and DRC PDQ.
I think teams passing attempts are higher this year too. Last year dumervil and Von were pressuring consistently. Several times a game id see a QB force a throw because dumervil was closing in. This year there's some pressure but I've seen too many plays where opposing QBs just sit there waiting for someone to get open. From the looks of it I think Von misses dumervil on the other side. Phillips has stepped up but not like a consistent rush that forces QBs into bad throws/incompletes.
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Old 11-19-2013, 04:55 PM   #379
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There is no way we pay DRC enough to lock him up. That dude came here with a plan...kick ass and play hard for a year, get paid...profit. He's going to hit FA this year and go to the highest bidder.

Not saying he shouldn't, but there is no way he's signing until he sees what he can get on the open market.
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Old 11-19-2013, 05:12 PM   #380
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There is no way we pay DRC enough to lock him up. That dude came here with a plan...kick ass and play hard for a year, get paid...profit. He's going to hit FA this year and go to the highest bidder.

Not saying he shouldn't, but there is no way he's signing until he sees what he can get on the open market.
Maybe, but Champs money is largely going to be available for him. He can get a pretty fat contract here.
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Old 11-19-2013, 05:24 PM   #381
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There is no way we pay DRC enough to lock him up. That dude came here with a plan...kick ass and play hard for a year, get paid...profit. He's going to hit FA this year and go to the highest bidder.

Not saying he shouldn't, but there is no way he's signing until he sees what he can get on the open market.
He also came here to fix his flaws and regain his pro bowl form.
Unless the Broncos go cheap or he tanks the rest of the year I could see them working out a 2-3 year bridge deal(NHL language)
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Old 11-19-2013, 05:27 PM   #382
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I think teams passing attempts are higher this year too. Last year dumervil and Von were pressuring consistently. Several times a game id see a QB force a throw because dumervil was closing in. This year there's some pressure but I've seen too many plays where opposing QBs just sit there waiting for someone to get open. From the looks of it I think Von misses dumervil on the other side. Phillips has stepped up but not like a consistent rush that forces QBs into bad throws/incompletes.
The 2013 Broncos are on pace to face nearly 100 more pass attempts than the 2012 Broncos.
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Old 11-19-2013, 09:20 PM   #383
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I've been amazed by the run defense this year. The DL has been boss this year, in shutting down the run game via gap control and keeping our LBs free to make plays.

If I had to pick between a shutdown pass D vs a shutdown run D, I'll take the dominant run D everytime. Last year, (it felt like) teams were able to gash us right up the middle. This upcoming NE game will be a great barometer to gauge the transformation from last year. Eff Brandon Bolden, guy had a a monster game against us last year.
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Old 11-19-2013, 09:29 PM   #384
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I've been amazed by the run defense this year. The DL has been boss this year, in shutting down the run game via gap control and keeping our LBs free to make plays.

If I had to pick between a shutdown pass D vs a shutdown run D, I'll take the dominant run D everytime. Last year, (it felt like) teams were able to gash us right up the middle. This upcoming NE game will be a great barometer to gauge the transformation from last year. Eff Brandon Bolden, guy had a a monster game against us last year.
Bolden? I remember Ridley tearing up Denver's D.
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Old 11-19-2013, 09:43 PM   #385
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Ridley def tore us up, but I ended up more butt hurt about the fact that they were dominating so completely that they let Bolden run train on us too.

I looked up the stats and they're aren't as bad as my memory remembers...he has 14 carries for 54 yards (4 first downs).
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Old 11-19-2013, 10:10 PM   #386
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We've definitely missed a step without him ... last year averaged 199 passing yards allowed per game, 3rd best in the league. This year it's 280 per game, 5th worst. But you're probably right, in that the pass rush is the bigger culprit.

I agree with signing Harris JR and DRC PDQ.
also, how much of that yardage has come when our offense is up by 2 or 3 scores and we have taken our foot off the gas? that is a problem with the rankings and yardage stats. they don't tell the full story.
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Old 11-19-2013, 10:14 PM   #387
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He also came here to fix his flaws and regain his pro bowl form.
Unless the Broncos go cheap or he tanks the rest of the year I could see them working out a 2-3 year bridge deal(NHL language)
no way will he do that. he plays a premier position and has shown he has elite talent when he wants to use it. in the NFL these guys get their rookie deal and after that if they are lucky 1 big contract that gets them to the end or near the end of their careers. By doing a 2-3 year bridge deal he loses a lot of potential money. By the end of that deal he is 30-31 and no longer seen as an in his prime player. He will be looking for a 5-7 year deal that pays him extremely well and ensures he is paid until his mid 30s.
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Old 11-20-2013, 06:15 AM   #388
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Bolden? I remember Ridley tearing up Denver's D.
Yup, they gutted us rushing last year. 54-251 total. Ridley had 28-151. Funny seeing it was Welker who killed us in the passing game, 13-104.
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no way will he do that. he plays a premier position and has shown he has elite talent when he wants to use it. in the NFL these guys get their rookie deal and after that if they are lucky 1 big contract that gets them to the end or near the end of their careers. By doing a 2-3 year bridge deal he loses a lot of potential money. By the end of that deal he is 30-31 and no longer seen as an in his prime player. He will be looking for a 5-7 year deal that pays him extremely well and ensures he is paid until his mid 30s.
Wouldn't you "rather have an average defensive tackle"...?
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Old 12-13-2013, 06:58 AM   #390
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Bump -- I actually didn't think Webster played too badly in the loss to the Chargers. Rivers had an eternity to throw on each play, and was fitting it into VERY small windows on each pass.
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Bump -- I actually didn't think Webster played too badly in the loss to the Chargers. Rivers had an eternity to throw on each play, and was fitting it into VERY small windows on each pass.
Yup. KW got picked on but he didn't get much help.
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Old 12-13-2013, 07:18 AM   #392
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Yup. KW got picked on but he didn't get much help.
He's usually in the vicinity. But his ball awareness seems to be a lot of his problem. Maybe that comes with experience. But for now, he's having a tough time.
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Old 12-13-2013, 07:21 AM   #393
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He's usually in the vicinity. But his ball awareness seems to be a lot of his problem. Maybe that comes with experience. But for now, he's having a tough time.
Agreed. He may develop into a good CB but he's not anywhere close yet. Champ has taken him under his wing (at least we are getting something for the $10 mil) and I'm sure that is helping his transition from college. We need him to step up BIG next year.
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Old 12-13-2013, 07:42 AM   #394
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Bump -- I actually didn't think Webster played too badly in the loss to the Chargers. Rivers had an eternity to throw on each play, and was fitting it into VERY small windows on each pass.
That one Rivers dropped about half an inch below Websters hand was an incredible pass against perfect defense.
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Old 12-13-2013, 07:50 AM   #395
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Rivers made some sick throws and Keenen Allen is just a great young WR. CB is the harderst position on defense to master and I'm sure Webster will get better.

On the flip side, Andre Caldwell didn't have a bad game. I think Manning was feeding him the ball not so much because he's great, but because Welker is concussed and Caldwell has to step up.
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