2012-2013 General NHL Hockey Thread

[underrated29]

Im so happy to see detroit sucking. My least favorite and most hated team of any sport ever! Last time they came out of the lockout waaaaaaaay ahead of everyone else.
Now its nice to see the tables might have turned a little bit. Thomas did have a ridiculous save the other night though.

[Ray Finkle]

Originally Posted by Hercules Rockefeller

Because they are a very bad team. 3 bad losses to 3 non-playoff teams from last year.

GMGM sucks. Time to clean house.

Ovie's ran 3 coaches out of town.....it's not hard to see the root of the problem. If he and Green weren't out boozing in Arlington all the time, maybe Ovie would be in better shape.

[Hercules Rockefeller]

This isn't an Ovy thing, it's a GM that's hired 5 head coaches in his tenure and none have ever been a HC at the NHL level before.

It's a soft, unskilled team that's still immature because he thought they could all grow up together and none of them grew up.

[Ray Finkle]

Originally Posted by Hercules Rockefeller

This isn't an Ovy thing, it's a GM that's hired 5 head coaches in his tenure and none have ever been a HC at the NHL level before.

It's a soft, unskilled team that's still immature because he thought they could all grow up together and none of them grew up.

and I believe that falls a lot on Ovie. He wants to do, what he wants to do. The first tough coach he had was Hunter. Hunter couldn't wait to get out of DC.....

What needed to be done was to give him a Mike Keenan/Hitchcock style head coach early on instead of letting him just be Ovie.

I think if that happened, he career would have gone more like Steve Yzerman than the current projectory of Alex Kovalev.

[gyldenlove]

Originally Posted by Ray Finkle

and I believe that falls a lot on Ovie. He wants to do, what he wants to do. The first tough coach he had was Hunter. Hunter couldn't wait to get out of DC.....

What needed to be done was to give him a Mike Keenan/Hitchcock style head coach early on instead of letting him just be Ovie.

I think if that happened, he career would have gone more like Steve Yzerman than the current projectory of Alex Kovalev.

Hunter was only going to stay in DC if he got to the finals, he has a good thing going here in London and really seems to thrive in the OHL. Ovie was never a leader, he needs a strong leader on the field, not necessarily a Sakic but certainly no less than a Toews or Chara. I don't think a coach can truly control Ovy without rocking the boat too much, the only thing a coach can do is bench him which is counterproductive. A leader on the ice who can beat some sense into him is what he needs.

[Ray Finkle]

Originally Posted by gyldenlove

Hunter was only going to stay in DC if he got to the finals, he has a good thing going here in London and really seems to thrive in the OHL. Ovie was never a leader, he needs a strong leader on the field, not necessarily a Sakic but certainly no less than a Toews or Chara. I don't think a coach can truly control Ovy without rocking the boat too much, the only thing a coach can do is bench him which is counterproductive. A leader on the ice who can beat some sense into him is what he needs.

now, yes, that is what is needed. They tried by brining the Arnott's and Knuble's but that didn't help

[Hercules Rockefeller]

Originally Posted by Ray Finkle

What needed to be done was to give him a Mike Keenan/Hitchcock style head coach early on instead of letting him just be Ovie.

Yes, they did.

It's just such a poorly constructed organization right now. Leonsis has allowed McPhee the opportunity to hire 5 coaches despite only 3 playoff series wins during a tenure that included 3 Division titles and a President's Trophy. McPhee was content to hope the young players matured together, he's refused to hire a HC with NHL experience, his FA signings are bargin basement and the ones he spends money on suck, and he can't draft for **** outside the 1st round.

I would honestly love to see them gut the team at the deadline except for a few players (Ovy, Backstrom, Alzner, and Carlson), fire GMGM, and hire someone like Burke to start over. McPhee isn't going to take them anywhere.

[gyldenlove]

Originally Posted by Ray Finkle

now, yes, that is what is needed. They tried by brining the Arnott's and Knuble's but that didn't help

Arnott wasn't a good enough player and Knuble was just old, not a leader. They need someone who is good enough as a player and strong enough as a leader to really put him in his place.

[Ray Finkle]

Originally Posted by gyldenlove

Arnott wasn't a good enough player and Knuble was just old, not a leader. They need someone who is good enough as a player and strong enough as a leader to really put him in his place.

I disagree completely on those two. Arrnott was brought there for his leadership and had nothing good to say about the locker room when he left. There were too many people that cared only about their stats. Knuble was brought into be a veteran locker room guy and help on the power play.

[SoCalBronco]

Knuble is totally washed up.

[gyldenlove]

Originally Posted by Ray Finkle

I disagree completely on those two. Arrnott was brought there for his leadership and had nothing good to say about the locker room when he left. There were too many people that cared only about their stats. Knuble was brought into be a veteran locker room guy and help on the power play.

Being a leader is more than being old, it is about commanding the respect of other players, neither Knuble nor Arnott was in a position to command the respect of the locker room when they were in DC. There is a reason guys like Sakic, Chara, Toews, Lidstrom are such good leaders, they are strong personalities who have a talent level that other players look up and respect.

[Ray Finkle]

Originally Posted by gyldenlove

Being a leader is more than being old, it is about commanding the respect of other players, neither Knuble nor Arnott was in a position to command the respect of the locker room when they were in DC. There is a reason guys like Sakic, Chara, Toews, Lidstrom are such good leaders, they are strong personalities who have a talent level that other players look up and respect.

I again disagree. Arnott was sought at the trading deadline to be veteran leadership. Leaders lead regardless of age or personality....while the guys you listed above are captains and leaders, it is not for their strong personality (save maybe Toews) they are leaders by example.

Your Messiers, Yzerman's, Steven's were leaders that were strong personalities as well.

[gyldenlove]

Wings finally seemed to click in the 3rd period against the Wild, the passing was crisp and even Johan Franzen seemed to play NHL hockey. I hope it lasts, but I am not taking anything for granted.

[Beantown Bronco]

B's just keep on rolling. 7 out of possible 8 pts so far.

All I have to say is.....Dougie freakin Hamilton. This kid is unreal.

[DivineLegion]

Happy Birthday to me! The Canes get it together and sweep the home and home with the Slugs!!!

FU Buffalo!

[Lestat]

the problem with Washington is they're the Don Nelson version of the Dallas Mavericks.
they love running up and down and having shoot outs.
but the team doesn't play the type of game that wins in the post season. they'll thrive in the regular season and get a top seed, but they lack that grit, that toughness, that dog mentality to get them over the hump and through the wall.

it's not a Ovy problem, it's the entire organization.
Ovy's role is to be one of the most lethal scorers in the NHL and help the team score goals.
you don't try to make him something he's not and get mad when he doesn't respond like Boudreau and Hunter did.

[SoCalBronco]

Damn Pens wasted a 2 goal night by Sid and a 2-0 lead. Tons of turnovers. Get it together boys. Need a win on Sunday to get to 3-2.

[DivineLegion]

Originally Posted by SoCalBronco

Damn Pens wasted a 2 goal night by Sid and a 2-0 lead. Tons of turnovers. Get it together boys. Need a win on Sunday to get to 3-2.

Just from glancing at the stat sheets it looks like Malkins line was having some problems defensively. Is that a result of the blue line, or is that line having trouble getting back? BTW I watched the Philly game, and all I can say is, I want Sutter back. I really miss that kid.

[Ray Finkle]

Originally Posted by SoCalBronco

Damn Pens wasted a 2 goal night by Sid and a 2-0 lead. Tons of turnovers. Get it together boys. Need a win on Sunday to get to 3-2.

and you see why it makes no sense to brag about be 2-0?

[chadta]

Originally Posted by Ray Finkle

and you see why it makes no sense to brag about be 2-0?

its in the DNA of pens fans

they are the loudest people on the planet when the team is winning.

[BroncosSR]

Originally Posted by chadta

its in the DNA of Pittsburgh fans

they are the loudest people on the planet when the team is winning.

Fixed.

[chadta]

Originally Posted by BroncosSR

Fixed.

agreed, I thought that after I posted but couldnt be bothered to correct it

[SoCalBronco]

I'm sure it was just a coincidence you started talking after you won 2 in a row.

[chadta]

Originally Posted by SoCalBronco

I'm sure it was just a coincidence you started talking after you won 2 in a row.

You sure have me pegged, do any of these look fimiliar.

Originally Posted by SoCalBronco

Kneel before your masters, Finkle.

Kneel.

Originally Posted by SoCalBronco

Nice 6-3 beat down for PIT. 2 division road wins to start the year. Huge.

Originally Posted by Requiem

Flying so high.

Pens fans after 2 wins

Originally Posted by chadta

its in the DNA of pens fans

they are the loudest people on the planet when the team is winning.

Im the one who started talking after 2 wins ? Im not a pens fan, I know 2 wins don't mean squat.

Sorry i didnt get into the 2 page nut slobbering over how much of a good deal Zajac was, the nicest thing i could think of sayin was that it makes hartnells contract look good, next time ill post something just so you dont think im being a fair weather fan.

[SoCalBronco]

If you were trying to show I posted only after wins you would be wrong. I have posted after each game win or loss. I did so after Toronto and Winnipeg.

Fail.