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Old 01-27-2012, 10:11 AM   #26
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what about the former coaches from St. Louis and Miami?
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Old 01-27-2012, 10:11 AM   #27
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dammit deleted the reply, tried to read on my phone and completely misunderstood.

I like it. I do think that there's a lot of potential for big gains by opposing offenses, obviously upgrades in secondary performance will be critical.

The way the passing game is so protected anymore I think you need to be more aggressive on the pass rush though, the best way to stop a QB is to not let the ball get out of his hands and to make him uncomfortable-I think this would really play well to the strengths we have on defense. It could very easily be exploited by the weaknesses we have if we don't get to the QB though.

High risk/High reward. You HAVE to get to the QB for this to work, often.

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He was having drinks with Fox in Mobile the day after Allen took the Oakland gig. I'd say he's the likely favorite at this point - especially with Dean Peas taking the Ravens job and Smith looking like he's going to Oakland to be their DC.

My guess is the job is his if he wants it, which isn't a sure thing because he's going to be paid the same amount to sit at home this year if he wants and his kid is a top HS QB recruit. With that, he was in Mobile which is where coaches hunt for jobs so unless he was there to catch up with friends, he'd likely be interested.

The concern I'm sure is the long-term consistency as he already interviewed for KC's HCing job so he wants to move back into that role and you'd have to imagine he and McCoy will be getting interviewed again next year. With that, I've noticed most good HCs dont avoid hiring guys that might leave but rather encourage their development as it tends to make them better coaches. Also, if a HC gets a rep for being a guy who develops other HCs then some of the best assistants will want to be a part of that. So I wouldn't think the Broncos would avoid Del Rio out of fear he leaves to become a HC again. If he doesn't become the DC, it would be for other reasons (on either side) IMO.

There will be other candidates though, Mike Klis pointed out yesterday that Fox had no relationship with Allen prior to hiring him (and if you remember, Jim Mora Jr. was the original 1st choice - a former HC himself) but rather found out about him through a network of friends - in this instance, he called his buddy Sean Payton from their Giants days who gave him a good recommendation. So there is a larger pool since Fox has been around so long and has a lot of friends around the league. You add in Elway's contacts and realistically there's a crap load of guys they could look it, but my first guess would be Del Rio makes a lot of sense.
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There will be other candidates though, Mike Klis pointed out yesterday that Fox had no relationship with Allen prior to hiring him (and if you remember, Jim Mora Jr. was the original 1st choice - a former HC himself) but rather found out about him through a network of friends - in this instance, he called his buddy Sean Payton from their Giants days who gave him a good recommendation. So there is a larger pool since Fox has been around so long and has a lot of friends around the league. You add in Elway's contacts and realistically there's a crap load of guys they could look it, but my first guess would be Del Rio makes a lot of sense.
This is so much more encouraging than when we had that young punk for HC who had no NFL contacts and relied on his agent to recommend his 1st DC and he pulled his second from either HS or College ranks.

This is what hiring an experienced HC gives you, loads of options to go with the experience.
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With the success of Gronkouski, Hernandez and Davis, the big push in the draft this year will be big TE's and teams trying to figure out how to cover them. We can't cover these guys in a zone defense and we need to get ahead of the curve and find bigger defensive backs that can cover or we will continue to get ripped apart.
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He was having drinks with Fox in Mobile the day after Allen took the Oakland gig. I'd say he's the likely favorite at this point - especially with Dean Peas taking the Ravens job and Smith looking like he's going to Oakland to be their DC.

My guess is the job is his if he wants it, which isn't a sure thing because he's going to be paid the same amount to sit at home this year if he wants and his kid is a top HS QB recruit. With that, he was in Mobile which is where coaches hunt for jobs so unless he was there to catch up with friends, he'd likely be interested.

The concern I'm sure is the long-term consistency as he already interviewed for KC's HCing job so he wants to move back into that role and you'd have to imagine he and McCoy will be getting interviewed again next year. With that, I've noticed most good HCs dont avoid hiring guys that might leave but rather encourage their development as it tends to make them better coaches. Also, if a HC gets a rep for being a guy who develops other HCs then some of the best assistants will want to be a part of that. So I wouldn't think the Broncos would avoid Del Rio out of fear he leaves to become a HC again. If he doesn't become the DC, it would be for other reasons (on either side) IMO.

There will be other candidates though, Mike Klis pointed out yesterday that Fox had no relationship with Allen prior to hiring him (and if you remember, Jim Mora Jr. was the original 1st choice - a former HC himself) but rather found out about him through a network of friends - in this instance, he called his buddy Sean Payton from their Giants days who gave him a good recommendation. So there is a larger pool since Fox has been around so long and has a lot of friends around the league. You add in Elway's contacts and realistically there's a crap load of guys they could look it, but my first guess would be Del Rio makes a lot of sense.
Nolan was a good hire (and was only here for one year)...Would be nice to bring in Del Rio, with a good LB coach (if Smith leaves) to groom as a possible replacement.

Jack "Of the River" would be a significant upgrade over Dennis Allen.
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With the success of Gronkouski, Hernandez and Davis, the big push in the draft this year will be big TE's and teams trying to figure out how to cover them. We can't cover these guys in a zone defense and we need to get ahead of the curve and find bigger defensive backs that can cover or we will continue to get ripped apart.
Lenny Walls was simply ahead of his time.
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Press coverage (needed upgrades at RCB and nickel back), with a cover 1 safety (Moore dependent on development), and a box safety (Carter) to baby sit the TE to accommodate a potentially blitzing LB.
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dobviously upgrades in secondary performance will be critical.
This stuff is pretty critical to any sort of success our next DC will have, I think. Talent up the middle of the defense is needed, but our secondary is pure dogschit at the moment, considering Dawkins is probably done and Bailey can only do so much.
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I read somewhere that we shouldn't go after Del Rio because he'd be getting head coaching offers in 2 or 3 years. If that were the case then it would mean he'd done a great job FFS.

The thing that does concern me is that he's already getting paid over a million bucks to sit at home this year and his son is apparently a serious QB (in FL or Cali... I forget). Maybe we need Von Miller to bring JDR to Vegas.
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what about the former coaches from St. Louis and Miami?
Those guys have been hired.

But we should look at Steve Spaghetti and Nolan Ryan.
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But we should look at Steve Spaghetti and Nolan Ryan.
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I read somewhere that we shouldn't go after Del Rio because he'd be getting head coaching offers in 2 or 3 years. If that were the case then it would mean he'd done a great job FFS.

The thing that does concern me is that he's already getting paid over a million bucks to sit at home this year and his son is apparently a serious QB (in FL or Cali... I forget). Maybe we need Von Miller to bring JDR to Vegas.
The Broncos have a stable, devensive-minded Head Coach in John Fox. The defense improved from worst-in-the-league to 24th. The defense is still crappy, but EFX appears to be hell-bent on adding more defensive talent. The Broncos team overall is improving rapidly, and coming off a playoff win against the formidable Steelers.

There are no remaining HC spots in the NFL. If I was JDR (who got fired from his last HC gig), I would make a bee-line to the airport to sign the papers.
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If I was JDR (who got fired from his last HC gig), I would make a bee-line to the airport to sign the papers.
Why? He can sit home for a year, enjoy life in FL, watch the kids play sports, and collect $5 mil to do nothing.
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With the success of Gronkouski, Hernandez and Davis, the big push in the draft this year will be big TE's and teams trying to figure out how to cover them. We can't cover these guys in a zone defense and we need to get ahead of the curve and find bigger defensive backs that can cover or we will continue to get ripped apart.
Or get an MLB who can cover and diag a play, having one safety worth a damn would help too.
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Why? He can sit home for a year, enjoy life in FL, watch the kids play sports, and collect $5 mil to do nothing.
Because people forget about you when your not around, no guarantee he could have his pick of gigs next year.
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Because people forget about you when your not around, no guarantee he could have his pick of gigs next year.
Ummm, last time I checked, he doesn't have his pick of gigs THIS year.

(And Gruden and Cowher have been out how long now, and they still are the go to names every year)
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Because people forget about you when your not around, no guarantee he could have his pick of gigs next year.
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